T206 Blue Old Mill

Bocabirdman · #1 08-11-2012, 08:22 AM

and to those who have put such great cards in my collection without "raping" my wallet, (you know who you are), you make me want to collect more and really realize there are truly some great people here....YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE thanks again

plus one big one

rp12367 · #2 08-21-2012, 10:47 AM

Any word on the fate of the Old Mill Blue back? Is it going to one of the major auctions, or is it already in a private collection? Haven't heard anything about it since the National. Thx

Runscott · #3 08-21-2012, 10:58 AM

But wait, there's less

Here's the rare 'Blue Sweet Caporal' Titus that just ended on ebay.

Somehow it slipped through the cracks: T206 Titus Blue Sweet Cap

calvindog · #4 08-21-2012, 11:00 AM

"Plastic sleeve included."

No wonder it sold for $13.

Leon · #5 08-21-2012, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calvindog

"Plastic sleeve included."

No wonder it sold for $13.

I think David Mc.Donald is hoarding those Titus cards, even the reprints, as they look so much like him!!

As for the rare, Old Mill blue backed card from the National, I don't know if the owner is going to chance it at auction (if he still has it). I spoke with him at great length at the National and he was a bit unsure on how best to sell it. Private sale for "all the money" would be great for him. It's just a matter of what that $$ number is. Also, as I said way up in this thread....I think a lot of the value will be determined by this card either being included, or not included, in the complete back set for T206.

Matthew H · #6 08-21-2012, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon

....I think a lot of the value will be determined by this card either being included, or not included, in the complete back set for T206.

I'm curious as to how this decision will be made. If the card is factory cut, and determined to be legitimately blue, how could it not be included?

pgellis · #7 08-21-2012, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew H

I'm curious as to how this decision will be made. If the card is factory cut, and determined to be legitimately blue, how could it not be included?

Wouldn't there have to be at least 1 more example that comes to light in order to include it?

Leon · #8 08-21-2012, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew H

I'm curious as to how this decision will be made. If the card is factory cut, and determined to be legitimately blue, how could it not be included?

It could be considered an anomaly and not part of the regularly manufactured cards. An error card in essence. I won't be making the decision. That is up to the die hard T206 guys. Doesn't make a lot of difference to me though I do have most of the backs of T206 I haven't really tried for them very much.

fishpro1202 · #9 01-13-2013, 11:40 AM

This is a sweet caporal back in blue writing. It looks authentic and came from a large estate of similar t206 cards which all look authentic. Any ideas on where the blue back came from? Card is T206 John Hummel, Brooklyn

fishpro1202 · #10 01-13-2013, 11:42 AM

What does everyone think?

brass_rat · #11 08-21-2012, 11:21 AM

I saw the card at National and spoke to a friend of the owner (both gentlemen were behind the table). The friend said that the card was headed to the auction block shortly, but he didn't give a timetable or house.

I also examined the card (already in holder) with a loupe, as well as two different UV/black lights to help look for chemical alterations. The card looked legit and did not show any signs of bleaching. (For what it's worth, it's harder to see bleach with UV without being in a dark room, but it still possible to see signs.)

I did take pictures, but they were just with a point-and-shoot, so I'll look into posting them when I'm home (although I don't think they turned out great).

Steve

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As a side note, here are a couple of the keychain UV lights and UV loupe I carry around at shows:

http://www.batteryjunction.com/phimiulviled.html
http://www.batteryjunction.com/titan...ylight-uv.html
http://www.precisionproducts.us/Blac...-p/l3001uv.htm

tbob · #12 08-21-2012, 01:45 PM

Ah, it is great not to be a back collector

More power to you guys who are. Other than collecting the red Cycles backs from the T207 set I could care less if a card is a factory 25 or 99 or an Old Mill or Uzit and what color the backs are.
Complete sets! Not types, not backs, just sets. We all have our obsessions

Bocabirdman · #13 08-21-2012, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brass_rat

I saw the card at National and spoke to a friend of the owner (both gentlemen were behind the table). The friend said that the card was headed to the auction block shortly, but he didn't give a timetable or house.

I also examined the card (already in holder) with a loupe, as well as two different UV/black lights to help look for chemical alterations. The card looked legit and did not show any signs of bleaching. (For what it's worth, it's harder to see bleach with UV without being in a dark room, but it still possible to see signs.)

I did take pictures, but they were just with a point-and-shoot, so I'll look into posting them when I'm home (although I don't think they turned out great).

Steve
====

As a side note, here are a couple of the keychain UV lights and UV loupe I carry around at shows:

http://www.batteryjunction.com/phimiulviled.html
http://www.batteryjunction.com/titan...ylight-uv.html
http://www.precisionproducts.us/Blac...-p/l3001uv.htm

Are you happy with that loupe? I need to grab a new one

packs · #14 08-21-2012, 04:19 PM

Authentic example and reprint side by side. I notice the reprint doesn't have the factory number.

brass_rat · #15 08-21-2012, 08:30 PM

Here are some pictures that I took of the blue back. It was really tough taking any worthwhile pictures, but hopefully you guys find them interesting anyways.

Side note -- yes, Mike, I like the loupe. I also carry this regular loupe on a keychain with UV lights:
http://www.nikon.com/products/sporto...elry/index.htm
(But the UV+loupe combo for < $10 is a great deal.)

Steve

Bocabirdman · #16 08-21-2012, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brass_rat

Here are some pictures that I took of the blue back. It was really tough taking any worthwhile pictures, but hopefully you guys find them interesting anyways.

Side note -- yes, Mike, I like the loupe. I also carry this regular loupe on a keychain with UV lights:
http://www.nikon.com/products/sporto...elry/index.htm
(But the UV+loupe combo for < $10 is a great deal.)

Steve

Thanks for the response Steve...I will be ordering a set here shortly. Mike

brass_rat · #17 08-21-2012, 08:38 PM

One more thing that I wanted to point out -- see the crease on the front of the card that runs horizontally through Walsh's chest? It's noticeable on the front because of the dark jersey, but you can't see it in the photos of the back...but the crease DOES go through to the back.

This isn't proof that the card wasn't rebacked or otherwise altered, I would doubt that someone would meticulously construct a card and then put the "authentic finishing touch" of creasing it in the middle. If anything, this would potentially expose any rebacking.

Again, it's not proof, but I do think that the crease lends credence to the other wear and tear (ie rounded corners) on the card.

Steve

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