former ebay head Gonzalez purported said psa and jsa suck according to post.

JimStinson · #1 08-21-2012, 10:20 AM

Whatever John G. had to say in private (Good or Bad) about PSA, JSA, AA, AAA, AARP or the NAACP was his business.

As for E-Bay before and after , I'll tell you an experience I recently had and I'll leave it up to those that are smarter than I am to figure it out because it baffles me.

FIRST let me say I have been an active seller on E-Bay for almost 9 years and in those 9 years have had over 15,000 transactions and a feedback score of 100%. I've been an autograph dealer for over 30 years.

I have NEVER , NOT one time EVER had E-Bay take down an autograph because of questions regarding its authenticity. Two weeks ago I sold a $450.00 autograph that was a no-brainer signature on an album page which came out of an IN-PERSON autograph book that had sold at auction a few years ago and HAD A COA from a TPA but I did not mention it in the item description.

The buyer paid for the item I shipped it and ONE WEEK LATER E-Bay sent me an e-mail saying they had taken the item down because of questions regarding its authenticity and that I was NOT to relist it

The buyer then recieved an e-mail from e-bay telling him he did not have to follow through on the transaction, The buyer and I exchanged e-mails , he lives in another country and had not recieved it yet but he assured me that based on the image he had seen on e-bay he was certain it was genuine and I assured him that if he wanted to that at any time he could return it for a refund. I then sent him a copy of the COA from the TPA which happens to be one of E-Bays MOST trusted authentication companies.

48 hours later the buyer files a complaint with pay pal that the autograph he recieved in the mail is a PHOTOCOPY and wants a refund which he gets. I can say THIS for sure the autograph I sold and shipped was 100% and without question NOT a photo copy. But of course how would I ever prove that to pay pal especially in light of the fact that E-Bay has already told the buyer ONE WEEK after he bought it that the autograph had "issues" ?

The whole thing starts to look like a scene out of "The Gang That couldn;t shoot straight" and leaves me to wonder , Who the heck is watching the store ????

Big Dave · #2 08-21-2012, 04:00 PM

Can you post the buyer's eBay user name?

Want to put him/her on my block bidder list.

JimStinson · #3 08-22-2012, 09:22 AM

With regards to my post in this thread, I have and do always believe that people are good considering the number of transactions I do I can count the "bad" experiences and scammers on one hand. The person who recieved the autograph , examined it again and then had an expert examine it again for him and agrees with me that the autograph is 100% authentic and believes that e-bay made a blatant error in removing it and in their follow up e-mails to him. Have included a copy of his e-mail. He is from another country and his english is not the best but here is what he said

dear Mr Stinson, I am sorry for what happened; I opened a case because EBay and Paypal made me in a hurry; after a brief term I had not further occasion to ask for a refund; anyway now I am satisfied for the item I bought from you- I emphasize both your professionality and your long experience in autograph and signature. I close well the case and I'll not send you the signature. I apologize my querry and I hope for your comprehension.
I cannot give you a feedback; the item was removed but in my opinion I should give you a 5 stars positive feedback, for your patience, communication and professionality- I strongly hope to deal again with you in future and I hope, too, you'll not remind the trouble I caused.
Yours sincerely from

isaac2004 · #4 08-22-2012, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by JimStinson

Whatever John G. had to say in private (Good or Bad) about PSA, JSA, AA, AAA, AARP or the NAACP was his business.

As for E-Bay before and after , I'll tell you an experience I recently had and I'll leave it up to those that are smarter than I am to figure it out because it baffles me.

FIRST let me say I have been an active seller on E-Bay for almost 9 years and in those 9 years have had over 15,000 transactions and a feedback score of 100%. I've been an autograph dealer for over 30 years.

I have NEVER , NOT one time EVER had E-Bay take down an autograph because of questions regarding its authenticity. Two weeks ago I sold a $450.00 autograph that was a no-brainer signature on an album page which came out of an IN-PERSON autograph book that had sold at auction a few years ago and HAD A COA from a TPA but I did not mention it in the item description.

The buyer paid for the item I shipped it and ONE WEEK LATER E-Bay sent me an e-mail saying they had taken the item down because of questions regarding its authenticity and that I was NOT to relist it

The buyer then recieved an e-mail from e-bay telling him he did not have to follow through on the transaction, The buyer and I exchanged e-mails , he lives in another country and had not recieved it yet but he assured me that based on the image he had seen on e-bay he was certain it was genuine and I assured him that if he wanted to that at any time he could return it for a refund. I then sent him a copy of the COA from the TPA which happens to be one of E-Bays MOST trusted authentication companies.

48 hours later the buyer files a complaint with pay pal that the autograph he recieved in the mail is a PHOTOCOPY and wants a refund which he gets. I can say THIS for sure the autograph I sold and shipped was 100% and without question NOT a photo copy. But of course how would I ever prove that to pay pal especially in light of the fact that E-Bay has already told the buyer ONE WEEK after he bought it that the autograph had "issues" ?

The whole thing starts to look like a scene out of "The Gang That couldn;t shoot straight" and leaves me to wonder , Who the heck is watching the store ????

But her returned the item correct? Just checking, because I have been nearly burned with returns from other countries (had to be on the phone with paypal multiple times)

JimStinson · #5 08-22-2012, 10:29 AM

No I offered to allow him to return it as I have a liberal return policy anyway in addition to lifetime guarantee of authenticity. But he WANTS to keep the item has closed the transaction out and the "held" funds were then released.

isaac2004 · #6 08-22-2012, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JimStinson

No I offered to allow him to return it as I have a liberal return policy anyway in addition to lifetime guarantee of authenticity. But he WANTS to keep the item has closed the transaction out and the "held" funds were then released.

Lovely... and I am guessing ebay wont help with that

drc · #7 08-22-2012, 11:55 AM

I thought the item in dispute had to be returned first. eBay usually takes the buyer's side, but normally requires the buyer to return the item before refund is given. At least that's what I thought.

thecatspajamas · #8 08-22-2012, 12:29 PM

Jim,
Congrats on seeing that situation through to the end and actually getting a favorable outcome for you and the seller both. Sometimes patience and understanding pays off. Unfortunately, that is all-too-often not the case when dealing with eBay. I think it helps that you had a buyer that was not only honest, but willing to put in a couple of extra minutes communicating with eBay (also all-too-often not the case).

David Atkatz · #9 08-22-2012, 02:38 PM

Similar thing happened to me, Jim. A while back I concurrently posted a Ruth/Gehrig ball on eBay, and on the Net54 B/S/T. The ball had a PSA certificate when I obtained it, and so I listed it as such. I received a number of emails, but the next thing I know, eBay removed the listing.

A potential buyer contacted me, and I explained the situation--the removal by eBay--but assured him I stood behind the ball and offered (of course) a full refund should he not be satisfied. As he lived in SoCal, he wanted to bring the ball to PSA to recheck the ball's--and the certificate's authenticity.

I marked the ball "sold" on the B/S/T thread, and was immediately accused of dishonesty by two of the board's prominent members for daring to sell an item that all-knowing eBay removed.

travrosty · #10 08-22-2012, 07:25 PM

we had listed a signed 8 x 10 from a private signing session we did and included a photo of the guy signing the photos as proof, and ebay took it down over "authenticity issues" and told us not to relist it.

it was a case of sour grapes , someone reporting stuff because they dont like the person and it had nothing to do with authenticity. thats why gonzalez was having a headache. some of the guys reporting bad stuff to him were just reporting it for spite. there are plenty of psa and jsa items still up that will never get taken down even though they are bad. some that get taken down are good, and who is watching the watchers? no one is watching the watchers, they will do what they want and make it hell for someone if they want.

toybulldog · #11 08-22-2012, 11:32 PM

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there are plenty of psa and jsa items still up that will never get taken down even though they are bad. some that get taken down are good, and who is watching the watchers? no one is watching the watchers, they will do what they want and make it hell for someone if they want.

They certainly flubbed the real "Toy Bulldog" Mickey Walker here. How is it you can often put these TPA autographs smack dab in the middle of genuine exemplars and they show no resemblance at all? If they are giving their opinion that this is real, how are they forming that opinion? Does this particular TPA have any 1931 Mickey Walker exemplars that are consistent with this autograph? If so I would like to see them. If they don't have any consistent exemplars would this be considered a mistake or would this be a fraud? Would this be showing favortism to a certain submitter or a certain auction house from which this came from?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/271037362197...84.m1438.l2649

WE send ebay stuff like this all the time but they leave them up with their evidenceless silly letters and stickers.

travrosty · #12 08-23-2012, 01:00 AM

exactly what i am talking about, you can't get this jsa certed piece off of ebay now. it has the almighty's coa now, so no amount of evidence is going to show ebay that it's no good. They can't go against their "preapproved" authenticators, because it would show the world that the world experts don't know Mickey Walker.

markf31 · #13 08-23-2012, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by travrosty

exactly what i am talking about, you can't get this jsa certed piece off of ebay now. it has the almighty's coa now, so no amount of evidence is going to show ebay that it's no good. They can't go against their "preapproved" authenticators, because it would show the world that the world experts don't know Mickey Walker.

Ebay has in the past removed JSA and PSA authenticated items, now granted it might be a little more difficult to convince Ebay to remove JSA and PSA authenticated items. But we don't know the guidelines Ebay uses for pulling items. I would think at a minimum, a certain number of complaints about a specific item or even a seller would be needed to trigger a red flag where Ebay would look into a listing. You certainly can't expect Ebay to pull an item because 3, 4 or even 5 people email them questioning it's authenticity, can you? That simply opens the door for petty and vindictive accusations between sellers.

The fact is we don't know what Ebay's protocol is for removing suspected forgeries, and as a result it's diffcicult to make broad general accusations against them when we don't know what their policies are.

travrosty · #14 08-23-2012, 01:00 AM

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itslarry · #15 08-23-2012, 06:30 AM

Ive been reading this for a hot minute now, i kinda understand what everyones yelling about, but what should be done in your opinion travis?
Like a few others have mentioned, for those of us just getting into the hobby TPA are pretty good. Sure they aren't fail proof and i understand that i should do some simple checking around, but with my lack of knowledge and limited are there any other alternatives out there?

Stalwart Fellow · #16 09-22-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by itslarry

Ive been reading this for a hot minute now, i kinda understand what everyones yelling about, but what should be done in your opinion travis?
Like a few others have mentioned, for those of us just getting into the hobby TPA are pretty good. Sure they aren't fail proof and i understand that i should do some simple checking around, but with my lack of knowledge and limited are there any other alternatives out there?

It seems that there are many who have issues with PSA/DNA

http://www.autographnewslive.com/19-...rs-have-to-say

My suggestion as to who to believe?

Pert near everyone...

Travis should go right ahead and keep doing what he does!
Christopher Williams also.

...and certainly don't put anyone or any organization on a pedestal (Big mistake!).

Travis used his Name over at Autograph Magazine Live and where has that gotten him? Was he a coward? What role does he hold at AML now?

There was a time Christopher Williams did NOT Identify himself with his name at AML..., what has that done for him?

Fox News, MSNBC, CNN who do you trust for your news?

Dan Rather, Walter Cronkite, Hearst Newspapers?

The Internet?

Seems some do.

mighty bombjack · #17 09-22-2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Stalwart Fellow

...and certainly don't put anyone or any organization on a pedestal (Big mistake!).

I just want to tell you that I agree with this line of your post. And that it is the only line of your post that I completely understand.

travrosty · #18 09-22-2012, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itslarry

Ive been reading this for a hot minute now, i kinda understand what everyones yelling about, but what should be done in your opinion travis?
Like a few others have mentioned, for those of us just getting into the hobby TPA are pretty good. Sure they aren't fail proof and i understand that i should do some simple checking around, but with my lack of knowledge and limited are there any other alternatives out there?

news flash, tpa are NOT pretty good, the two in question anyway.

the alternative is to know what you are buying. ask real professionals, long time dealers and collectors and not some guy sitting behind a desk who doesnt even know mickey walker, doesnt know john l sullivan, doesnt know james corbett, doesnt know, james jeffries, doesnt know jack johnson, doesnt now jack dempsey, doesnt know joe louis, doesnt know rocky marciano, doesn't know sonny liston, doesnt know muhammad ali, doesnt know evender holyfield, doesnt know marvin hagler, doesnt know battling nelson, doesnt know lius firpo. you say they are pretty good, gotta be kidding me.

mighty bombjack · #19 09-22-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by travrosty

news flash, tpa are NOT pretty good, the two in question anyway.

the alternative is to know what you are buying. ask real professionals, long time dealers and collectors and not some guy sitting behind a desk who doesnt even know mickey walker, doesnt know john l sullivan, doesnt know james corbett, doesnt know, james jeffries, doesnt know jack johnson, doesnt now jack dempsey, doesnt know joe louis, doesnt know rocky marciano, doesn't know sonny liston, doesnt know muhammad ali, doesnt know evender holyfield, doesnt know marvin hagler, doesnt know battling nelson, doesnt know lius firpo. you say they are pretty good, gotta be kidding me.

You have convinced me that they are not pretty good in boxing. I don't collect boxing. Have never bought or even considered a single auto.

I collect baseball, and think they are pretty good (not perfect or infallible) in baseball. Don't know what else to say.

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