T206 Blue Old Mill

t206blogcom · #1 08-22-2012, 12:12 PM

There are t206s with slight color variations that occurred after printing. For example, color changes from glue and paste or from exposure to sunlight. Who's to say this card didn't receive exposure to sunlight that faded the black ink? No real way of knowing for sure.

Or who's to say the level of black ink was running low on that particular day of printing? Since we haven't seen other legitimate blue Old Mill backs, this probably wasn't the case. Unless of course the print run was scrapped due to poor quality and a printer took one home for his kid. No real way of knowing for sure.

Perhaps we're all being taken on a ride by a really good scammer who's testing the waters with a new counterfeiting method? Think about it. Out of the blue at the most popular card show of the year, there's a discovery of a new T206 back - one of the most popular types of baseball cards. Discoveries of new T206 errors/variations in the past have brought mega price tags (e.g. Doyle 'error'). The blue Old Mill made headlines on Net54, was passed around to well known collectors and to a respected TPG company to be legitamized. Now folks are saying it would bring not a 4 figure price tag, but a 5 figure price tag. To me, everything seems too convenient and I'll remain a skeptic.

Or perhaps it's a once in a lifetime find and I don't know left from right.

MVSNYC · #2 08-22-2012, 12:22 PM

Jason- i hear you, i was skeptical too, but i (like many other collectors here) saw it in person, and looked at it under a 10x loupe. looked 100% legit to me. it was certainly a card never seen before, but had all of the correct attributes of an authentic T206 card- paper color, paper quality, toning, proper wear, etc...as per one of my earlier posts, i think they probably ran out of black ink, and ran some "polar bear" blue. that's one quick thought, but liek you sad...who really knows for sure.

onlychild · #3 08-22-2012, 12:25 PM

Don't have an opinion one way or another and have little interest but I do know a real front can be joined with a vintage paper manufactured back and get past a TPG. It's a long tough process with a high failure rate but has been done.

Kevin

Runscott · #4 08-22-2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by t206blogcom

Or who's to say the level of black ink was running low on that particular day of printing? Since we haven't seen other legitimate blue Old Mill backs, this probably wasn't the case.

......

Perhaps we're all being taken on a ride by a really good scammer who's testing the waters with a new counterfeiting method?

I agree with the first statement above. Regarding the new counterfeiting method theory, my understanding is that this card has been in an old-time collector's collection for many years - 20 or so? It could still be a fake, but the factory designation line looks good.

Still, my gut says 'not real'.

packs · #5 08-22-2012, 01:47 PM

I would just like to add that those blue backed Old Mill reprints were made over 20 years ago. The guy who has this Cobb says he's had the reprint for 25 years.

There's no factory number on the Cobb either.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-1911-T-...item337b105e20

HOWEVER, there IS a factory number on this Cy Young Blue Old Mill reprint. Reprint on the left, authentic on the right. The cards also seem to have the same darker than usual font on the front.

Matthew H · #6 08-22-2012, 01:58 PM

Whoa, the back of that Young looks awfully similar.......

packs · #7 08-22-2012, 02:03 PM

I've seen the reprints in person before and I couldn't help but see the similarities. It's either the coincidence of all coincidences or perhaps the experts were fooled on this one.

I should also mention that there are red Old Mill reprints as well which also carry the factory number.

teetwoohsix · #8 08-22-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew H

Whoa, the back of that Young looks awfully similar.......

Yeah..

Anyone have a PB Walsh?

Sincerely, Clayton

atx840 · #9 08-22-2012, 02:25 PM

I posted this image on the first page, it shows that most of the coloured reprints have the factory # shown. Looks like the Young has the "Reprint" line cut off...still suspicious.

teetwoohsix · #10 08-22-2012, 02:47 PM

A little O/T but following this thread http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=142480
about one T206,two names, (which is an awesome thread BTW) I'm having a hard time with the logic of not labeling (on the flip) the two different names T206's when there are plenty (although they are scarce) of examples, yet they are labeling this card (blue back) with nothing else to compare it too?

I don't know folks.

Please, if someone has a PB Walsh I'd love to see a scan if possible. Thanks.

Sincerely, Clayton

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