Ruth rookie cards, the new wagner?

[rman444]

The T206 Wagner is a relatively common card as well.

If you were to add up all of the M101 Ruth rookies with all backs combined, there are probably a few more Ruths than Wagners, but I would say that it is in the same ballpark. My guess would be somewhere in the 75-125 range. For some M101 backs, there is probably only a single example known or no known examples.

I believe that the BN Ruth will eventually surpass the T206 Wagner (as it should) and the M101 Ruth will continue to increase in value with mainstream collectors looking for "Babe Ruth's rookie card." Similar to the T206, there are enough M101 Ruths around to keep the buzz going.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rman444

The T206 Wagner is a relatively common card as well.

If you were to add up all of the M101 Ruth rookies with all backs combined, there are probably a few more Ruths than Wagners, but I would say that it is in the same ballpark. My guess would be somewhere in the 75-125 range. For some M101 backs, there is probably only a single example known or no known examples.

I believe that the BN Ruth will eventually surpass the T206 Wagner (as it should) and the M101 Ruth will continue to increase in value with mainstream collectors looking for "Babe Ruth's rookie card." Similar to the T206, there are enough M101 Ruths around to keep the buzz going.

My thoughts from watching the hobby as closely as almost anyone, for the last 15 yrs, is that there are at least 5x more M101-5/4 Ruths as there are T206 Wagners.

[rman444]

Leon - you have a few years on me in the hobby, but not many. 500 M101 Ruth rookies? I don't think so.

Just because there aren't only 1 or 2 know examples doesn't make everything 500

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rman444

Leon - you have a few years on me in the hobby, but not many. 500 M101 Ruth rookies? I don't think so.

Just because there aren't only 1 or 2 know examples doesn't make everything 500

I think there are close to 75 Wags....and maybe 350'ish Ruth Sporting News. These are just guesses from watching a lot. You might be right and I might be wrong...

[rman444]

I think that you and I can agree that both are quite common compared to what we typically collect.

[ullmandds]

Not to get involved in this scuffle...and without checking pop reports...I'd have to guess there are way less than 100 Ruth Rookies(m101-5/4) graded by anyone...so I'm w/Dan...no way there are even 2-300 ruth rookies...imo.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Not to get involved in this scuffle...and without checking pop reports...I'd have to guess there are way less than 100 Ruth Rookies(m101-5/4) graded by anyone...so I'm w/Dan...no way there are even 2-300 ruth rookies...imo.

Right now there are approximately 80 Ruth rookie's including all of the various ad backs on the combined PSA and SGC population reports. Assuming roughly 25% are crossovers, you can immediately subtract 20 of those from the total (with that crossover estimate very conservative). I would find it hard to believe that a raw number of some 200+ exist in private collections...seems a bit high. Therefore, one might guess some 100 to 125 raw copies are available with a grand total of approx. 150 to 175. Unfortunately, the actual raw count will never reach full resolution.

Joe T.

[Gary Dunaier]

Originally Posted by rman444

I believe that the BN Ruth will eventually surpass the T206 Wagner

One thing I like about the Baltimore News Ruth card is that, unlike the Sporting News Ruth (or the T206 Wagner, for that matter), it actually bears the date of issue on the back.

[drc]

A key is the wagner is a rare care in a plentiful and popularly collected issue. The card is rare but the issue is not. A card can be too rare and obscure for its own good (high value)-- thus there are rarer cards that are not as valuable.

It's not a coincidence that the most expensive rare cards often to usually come from plentiful and popular sets-- wagner, plank, goudy lajoie.