Original PB Pack Opened?

NYHighlanderFan · #1 09-05-2012, 07:35 PM

I am letting this one go since picking up another 2.5 oz Polar Bear bag which still has the wax paper over it and an awesome unopened 1909 1 oz trial sample size bag over the past several years. I am selling it exactly as it was acquired from a Buffalo-area sportscard dealer but with the clear display case to keep it protected. Leon...I came over & introduced myself to you in Baltimore! I've never had enough guts to open any of my unopened stuff up. I am letting it go as-is instead of keeping the cards. Not sure about the bear missing but never seen another like it.

NYHighlanderFan · #2 09-05-2012, 07:46 PM

Hmmm...not sure how the 1912 tax stamp looks wrong...anyone know what the T205 distribution timeframe was and did it go into 1912? I've always considered it a legit T205 bag.

The one thing I always thought was legit about this bag is its lack of legal jargon with P.Lorillard as successors! No doubt this is a pre-deregulation pack.

rdwyer · #3 09-05-2012, 07:55 PM

T206 - 1909-1911
T205 - 1911 Only

NYHighlanderFan · #4 09-05-2012, 08:10 PM

Considering how and who it was acquired, it will remain. And as far as how many cards came in a pack, who knows! But there are 2 included here.

packs · #5 09-05-2012, 08:10 PM

Why would the pack have two cards?

NYHighlanderFan · #6 09-05-2012, 08:18 PM

Who the heck knows! I have read stories on this very forum about upwards of four getting pulled out of a bag! I could keep the cards & just sell the bag. But I feel it should all stick together!!

And as far as the prices I've set as minimums...well I would be happy to discuss values & scarcity of the individual items. I am always trying to educate myself on this science! I am purely going on what I saw at past conventions, auctions & this past National.

packs · #7 09-05-2012, 08:28 PM

Well it seems like a fair question. The only time someone posted an opened Piedmont pack photo with the shell case it had only one card inside.

rdwyer · #8 09-05-2012, 08:30 PM

Jon Canfield? Calling Jon Canfield. I believe there were no cards distributed in 1912 pouches. I also remember 4 cards per pouch also.

NYHighlanderFan · #9 09-05-2012, 08:34 PM

Yes...very legit question! And I appreciate the questions!

Somebody emailed me yesterday & said there was another one online not long ago. It sounded like it didn't have the bear either.

teetwoohsix · #10 09-05-2012, 11:42 PM

Hi Joe-

I was just wondering if the back of the red PB coupon had any writing, or is it blank?

This Piedmont coupon had a list on the back of prizes you could claim by mailing in X-amount of coupons. I was just wondering if the PB coupon was similar in this fashion. Granted, this Piedmont coupon expired June 1909, prior to the T206 run (I believe).

Sincerely, Clayton

* side note- around the edges of the backside of the Piedmont coupon you can see they used an invisible type of ink? with the ATC initials- pretty cool for back in those days !!!

Also, a special thanks to the wonderful board member who sent this to me, I still really appreciate it !!!!

ctownboy · #11 09-06-2012, 12:06 AM

Excuse my ignorance but weren't cards printed for only certain factories (because of legal or tax reasons)? And weren't those cards supposed to have that factory number and district printed on the back?

If so, then if this pack (bag) was produced in Ohio then shouldn't the cards, if they originally came with the pack, have an Ohio factory and district number on them?

David

Wite3 · #12 09-06-2012, 08:55 AM

David,
The two t205s were from the right factory. They both say Factory 6 dist. o (for ohio).

The cards were first put out in 1911 but there have been examples found in packs with the 1912 tax stamp (and possibly later). They used the cards until they were completely gone.

Also, some packs contained more than one card. I know the t206s often had more than one (especially in the hindu, old mill cards)...and I have seen a tolstoi pack opened that contained two t206s and a t80 (military series).

Joshua

NYHighlanderFan · #13 09-06-2012, 09:25 AM

I will take a better photo of the cards backs and the back of the red coupon! I'll post it directly to the ebay listing...within the hour!

I can tell you off the top of my head the coupon back doesn't have the list of gifts like the Piedmont coupon does. It might say something like the coupons with 1908 expiration dates are still valid through 2013.

Cerberus · #14 09-06-2012, 01:26 PM

Joe:

I'm happy to sell you my unopened PB pack for 12k. Feel free to pm me, and we'll make payment arrangements.

Michael

Leon · #15 09-06-2012, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYHighlanderFan

I am letting this one go since picking up another 2.5 oz Polar Bear bag which still has the wax paper over it and an awesome unopened 1909 1 oz trial sample size bag over the past several years. I am selling it exactly as it was acquired from a Buffalo-area sportscard dealer but with the clear display case to keep it protected. Leon...I came over & introduced myself to you in Baltimore! I've never had enough guts to open any of my unopened stuff up. I am letting it go as-is instead of keeping the cards. Not sure about the bear missing but never seen another like it.

From all I know I still don't believe these cards were pulled from this pack. We have 0 evidence of it besides an (unknown) dealer saying they were. Though I have never heard of 2 cards in a Polar Bear pack that part of the story wouldn't surprise me.

NYHighlanderFan · #16 09-06-2012, 10:24 AM

Yep...agreed Leon! At this point its just a nice Polar Bear lot. And that's what I would like to sell it as.

I must say...seeing grading companies slab Fatima & Piedmont packs from the 1940's-50's with Series of 117 or 121 stamps as 1911 packs flat out sucks! And the claims of WWI 12-packs pulling out white borders might be just as crazy. But I do believe they stuffed them in packs until they were gone...and into 1912 might not really be that far-fetched! After all, they only cared about advertising their product & not the timetable of them being last years cards.

And as far as an unknown dealer...like most of us I've been in this hobby my whole life. That takes me back into the late 1970's. I purchased my Addie Joss Lenox for $5 and my Dad looked at me like I was nuts. I have built several extremely solid relationships through the years with dealers. And a tiny few I see and think are fraudulent crooks. Most are decent, some upstanding. But through the years of passing tables at shows, answering classified ads, auctions, etc...there are some dealers who I just can't remember other than by face.

Runscott · #17 09-06-2012, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYHighlanderFan

Yep...agreed Leon! At this point its just a nice Polar Bear lot. And that's what I would like to sell it as.

I must say...seeing grading companies slab Fatima & Piedmont packs from the 1940's-50's with Series of 117 or 121 stamps as 1911 packs flat out sucks! And the claims of WWI 12-packs pulling out white borders might be just as crazy. But I do believe they stuffed them in packs until they were gone...and into 1912 might not really be that far-fetched! After all, they only cared about advertising their product & not the timetable of them being last years cards.

And as far as an unknown dealer...like most of us I've been in this hobby my whole life. That takes me back into the late 1970's. I purchased my Addie Joss Lenox for $5 and my Dad looked at me like I was nuts. I have built several extremely solid relationships through the years with dealers. And a tiny few I see and think are fraudulent crooks. Most are decent, some upstanding. But through the years of passing tables at shows, answering classified ads, auctions, etc...there are some dealers who I just can't remember other than by face.

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