PAWN STARS Shoeless Joe Jackson signed book...

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I will repeat something I have said in another thread. When I was on the original PSA team, with Jim Stinson btw (those were some fun times after working hours), the entire team asked to stay over for a second day to properly complete the work we had. We were told no and that we should rush through the work.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. If our entire premise was totally wrong, you would think someone currently working for PSA would come on here and correct us. I don't see anyone.

[ibuysportsephemera]

Originally Posted by travrosty

The more things change, the more they stay the same. If our entire premise was totally wrong, you would think someone currently working for PSA would come on here and correct us. I don't see anyone.

Why should they? Only a small group of people in the total population know about Net54. By the numbers you provided earlier, everyone can see it is a huge business that makes them a lot of money. They have no obligation to you.

Based on the way Herman Darvick (who I had never heard of before this thread) was treated by you when he tried to explain his position....I would also stay far away from this place.

My disclaimer- Autographs are only a small part of my collection, I think that they are never a sure thing unless they were signed in person and have only once gotten an autograph authenticated. I respect many of the autograph collectors here, however it is just too speculative for my taste.

Jeff

[smotan_02]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

Based on the way Herman Darvick (who I had never heard of before this thread) was treated by you when he tried to explain his position....I would also stay far away from this place.

Jeff

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[alexautographs]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

Based on the way Herman Darvick (who I had never heard of before this thread) was treated by you when he tried to explain his position....I would also stay far away from this place.

Herman, whom I respect and have known for decades, was directly questioned about the provenance of an item. Personally, I don't see how he was abused.

All due respect, you can always collect safer items, such as Honus Wagner cards graded 8 by PSA, or Elvis hair.

As long as collectibles have any value at all, crooks will be foisting bad material on the public.

[mr2686]

Wow. You think Herman Darvick was abused? I don't think he was questioned near enough. I'm sure if Morales or anyone else had said the Jackson was good, you all would be all over them. Give me a break.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Wow. You think Herman Darvick was abused? I don't think he was questioned near enough. I'm sure if Morales or anyone else had said the Jackson was good, you all would be all over them. Give me a break.

you're right...we would

MoralASS , doesn't have the balls to come here or would we want a guy who passes EVERY FORGERY he can get his hand on. He is a complete loser and a criminal IMHO. He's not a bad FDE, He is crooked. There is no excuse for a guy like that other than he's a complete Putz. with ZERO MORALS, hence the name Moraless. Oh, that's right, he's also an ASS, isn't that right Mr. MoralASS.

I would say PSA & JSA aren't quite there yet....let's give it some more time though and maybe the similarities will continue to intersect?

[smotan_02]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Wow. You think Herman Darvick was abused? I don't think he was questioned near enough. I'm sure if Morales or anyone else had said the Jackson was good, you all would be all over them. Give me a break.

Auto certs are opinions. This is the only concrete fact in this entire debate. I don't know the difference between Herman and morales, but I do know that no one will volunteer to go before a firing squad when it is your opinion versus theirs.

[travrosty]

mr. darvick came on here and defended himself. fair enough. he had it consigned from a collector who got the 'cut' from the jackson family and he was positive the pawn stars signed book was real, so he had his say fair and square which everyone should be afforded.

if the pawn stars signed jackson book is now no good based on psa's opinion, i would think mr darvick would be eager to go to rick and buy it for 13000 and then he could have a 50 thousand dollar signature.

if i certed a john l sullivan boxing autograph and it was worth 2500 dollars, and rick bought it for 500, and psa said no good which makes it a bad autograph in Rick's eyes and he considered the autograph a total loss, i would break my arm grabbing for the phone to take it off of ricks hands and bail out his loss for the same 500 because i knew it to be a real 2500 dollar sullivan autograph regardless of what psa thought. because i don't care about psa's opinion. a real autograph is a real autograph.

I am sure that is what Herman did also in this case. There's 30 to 40 grand to be made off of psa's mistake as far as mr. darvick is concerned.

[smotan_02]

Originally Posted by travrosty

mr. darvick came on here and defended himself. fair enough. he had it consigned from a collector who got the 'cut' from the jackson family and he was positive the pawn stars signed book was real, so he had his say fair and square which everyone should be afforded.

if the pawn stars signed jackson book is now no good based on psa's opinion, i would think mr darvick would be eager to go to rick and buy it for 13000 and then he could have a 50 thousand dollar signature.

if i certed a john l sullivan boxing autograph and it was worth 2500 dollars, and rick bought it for 500, and psa said no good which makes it a bad autograph in Rick's eyes and he considered the autograph a total loss, i would break my arm grabbing for the phone to take it off of ricks hands and bail out his loss for the same 500 because i knew it to be a real 2500 dollar sullivan autograph regardless of what psa thought. because i don't care about psa's opinion. a real autograph is a real autograph.

I am sure that is what Herman did also in this case. There's 30 to 40 grand to be made off of psa's mistake as far as mr. darvick is concerned.

It's only 30-40 grand profit when two people's (buyer and seller) opinion a.) line up and b.) buyer is willing to pay that much. PSA and pawn stars have a wider audience than darvick, so now buyer's opinion is swayed. You speak as though they are facts, nothing is fact-based in your post.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

Why should they? Only a small group of people in the total population know about Net54. By the numbers you provided earlier, everyone can see it is a huge business that makes them a lot of money. They have no obligation to you.

Based on the way Herman Darvick (who I had never heard of before this thread) was treated by you when he tried to explain his position....I would also stay far away from this place.

My disclaimer- Autographs are only a small part of my collection, I think that they are never a sure thing unless they were signed in person and have only once gotten an autograph authenticated. I respect many of the autograph collectors here, however it is just too speculative for my taste.

Jeff

I wouldn't say Herman was abused either. Maybe we were a bit "animated"? He told us the back story and answered follow-up to it as well.

His explanation was thorough and told us what he remembered 18 1/2 years ago. he stands by his work then. He didn't get a chance to reexamine it, but stood behind his work 18 1/2 years ago. Love him or hate him, he came on like a professional to stand up for himself. I have respect for that.

You wont see PSA or JSA doing that...which is one of many reasons, professionals (not in this business) like me are sick of their smug NO HEAR, NO SEE, NO TELL attitude. F them. They have a responsibility to their customers and they shun everyone. Personally, I shun them and would never pay .01 cent to have them even certify a double cheeseburger from McDonalds.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by travrosty

The more things change, the more they stay the same. If our entire premise was totally wrong, you would think someone currently working for PSA would come on here and correct us. I don't see anyone.

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