PAWN STARS Shoeless Joe Jackson signed book...

[smotan_02]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Wow. You think Herman Darvick was abused? I don't think he was questioned near enough. I'm sure if Morales or anyone else had said the Jackson was good, you all would be all over them. Give me a break.

Auto certs are opinions. This is the only concrete fact in this entire debate. I don't know the difference between Herman and morales, but I do know that no one will volunteer to go before a firing squad when it is your opinion versus theirs.

[travrosty]

mr. darvick came on here and defended himself. fair enough. he had it consigned from a collector who got the 'cut' from the jackson family and he was positive the pawn stars signed book was real, so he had his say fair and square which everyone should be afforded.

if the pawn stars signed jackson book is now no good based on psa's opinion, i would think mr darvick would be eager to go to rick and buy it for 13000 and then he could have a 50 thousand dollar signature.

if i certed a john l sullivan boxing autograph and it was worth 2500 dollars, and rick bought it for 500, and psa said no good which makes it a bad autograph in Rick's eyes and he considered the autograph a total loss, i would break my arm grabbing for the phone to take it off of ricks hands and bail out his loss for the same 500 because i knew it to be a real 2500 dollar sullivan autograph regardless of what psa thought. because i don't care about psa's opinion. a real autograph is a real autograph.

I am sure that is what Herman did also in this case. There's 30 to 40 grand to be made off of psa's mistake as far as mr. darvick is concerned.

[smotan_02]

Originally Posted by travrosty

mr. darvick came on here and defended himself. fair enough. he had it consigned from a collector who got the 'cut' from the jackson family and he was positive the pawn stars signed book was real, so he had his say fair and square which everyone should be afforded.

if the pawn stars signed jackson book is now no good based on psa's opinion, i would think mr darvick would be eager to go to rick and buy it for 13000 and then he could have a 50 thousand dollar signature.

if i certed a john l sullivan boxing autograph and it was worth 2500 dollars, and rick bought it for 500, and psa said no good which makes it a bad autograph in Rick's eyes and he considered the autograph a total loss, i would break my arm grabbing for the phone to take it off of ricks hands and bail out his loss for the same 500 because i knew it to be a real 2500 dollar sullivan autograph regardless of what psa thought. because i don't care about psa's opinion. a real autograph is a real autograph.

I am sure that is what Herman did also in this case. There's 30 to 40 grand to be made off of psa's mistake as far as mr. darvick is concerned.

It's only 30-40 grand profit when two people's (buyer and seller) opinion a.) line up and b.) buyer is willing to pay that much. PSA and pawn stars have a wider audience than darvick, so now buyer's opinion is swayed. You speak as though they are facts, nothing is fact-based in your post.

[alexautographs]

Originally Posted by smotan_02

It's only 30-40 grand profit when two people's (buyer and seller) opinion a.) line up and b.) buyer is willing to pay that much. PSA and pawn stars have a wider audience than darvick, so now buyer's opinion is swayed. You speak as though they are facts, nothing is fact-based in your post.

Nothing is fact-based in this entire industry (except that Mantle wasted a perfectly good liver).

EVERYTHING is an opinion - the value and grading of your cards, the authenticity of a baseball (or a signature), etc.

Yes, and now that PSA (and PornStars) have killed the piece, even if Jesus himself descended from the clouds with Joe Jackson in tow and they both pronounced the book as authentic, still nobody would buy it.

Hmmm...makes you wonder about the power of the "pawn-ticators", as they should now be called.

Fudd - tell us what you REALLY think of "Moreorless"- don't hold back.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by smotan_02

It's only 30-40 grand profit when two people's (buyer and seller) opinion a.) line up and b.) buyer is willing to pay that much. PSA and pawn stars have a wider audience than darvick, so now buyer's opinion is swayed. You speak as though they are facts, nothing is fact-based in your post.

the fact is either its real or its not.

if psa shot it down, its toast now to most people. but even if it was toast to everybody and i was the authenticator and i knew it to be real, i would buy it for the cut rate fire sale because i dont need psa to tell me if its real or not and i wouldn't cert the autograph if it didnt know it was real 100 percent. no guessing. and if i knew for sure and issued the cert i would certainly buy it cheap if no one else wanted it.

because every real autograph now has to be psa REAL? There is two kinds of real now? real and psa real?

i dont frame my autographs with the psa certificate like some people do. somtimes the psa cert card gets as much exposure on the frame than the signed item does.

[brownscollector78]

I try to stay away from autographs but I have noticed that the industry of autographs has sadly echoed the industry of collectibles in general...too many people are in it just to make a quick $ and those same people drive up the costs of enjoying the hobby- making it harder for true collectors who are in it for the love of it to continue collecting what they love.

A sad state of affairs.

[Exhibitman]

Not to defend PSA/DNA [perish the thought] but when I sent in an Eric Clapton item and it came back as no good it was accompanied by an email string between the company's authenticators going back and forth over why the item was counterfeit or good and it reflected not only a careful study of the piece by more than one person but a willingness to do exactly what I would expect experts to do in a tough case: analyze and discuss the item. I was unhappy with the result but satisfied with the process.