PAWN STARS Shoeless Joe Jackson signed book...

[Herman Darvick]

Originally Posted by Ringking

I just heard about the goof on pawn stars last night. There was a book that a guy had for sale that was signed by Shoeless Joe Jackson. It had a COA from Herman Darvick. Herman is a person that sold something signed by shoeless joe for 23 grand a few years ago. Long story short...the book was a fake and the Pawn Stars are out 13 GRAND on the item.

To make matters worse, they sent the book to PSA/DNA and it came back with a rejection letter saying that the book showed signs of being traced.How can such a self appointed expert make such a huge mistake??? And he works for PSA??? What about other items with his COA now?

It can be seen here: http://www.history.com/shows/pawn-st...say-it-aint-so


watch the whole thing as this goes on for the whole show.

PSA/DNA is wrong. In December 1990, I sold the first authentic signature of Joe Jackson at my auction for $23,100. I authenticated it. To put the price in perspective, in 1990 you could buy a complete collection of the autographs of all 40 U.S. Presidents, from Washington to G.H.W. Bush, for less than $23,100! It was illustrated actual size in my catalogue. It was bought by Leland's auctions and traded to Barry Halper the next day. Google "Joe Jackson" and "23,100" as see how many websites (including books) report this sale. The authenticity of the "Joe Jackson" has never been questioned. 3 1/2 years later, in 1994, I was shown the book bearing a "Joe Jackson" signature which I authenticated and issued a COA. I still believe it is authentic. In this Forum, Mike Nola, Official Historian of The Shoeless Joe Jackson Virtual Hall of Fame Web Site, criticizes PSA/DNA's two major reasons for not certifying its authenticity as read out loud from their letter to Rick on Pawn Stars, "drawn" and "pressure": "Has anyone there given any thought to the fact that the same characteristics that apply to tracing (i.e., pressure points, delays, etc., etc......) pretty much apply to someone such as Joe Jackson who would have been 'drawing' his name based on a pattern taught him by his wife. ... The signature on the book looks different than the one that appears on his will, but the one on his will appears different that the one that appears on his 1941 mortgage note and that one appears different that the one on his 1949 drivers license. In other words all his signatures differ somewhat, since he was just tracing a pattern taught to him by his wife Katie." One more thing: In 2006, I was asked by PSA/DNA to be one of their authenticators. I accepted their offer and signed a 3-year contract. In February 2009, I eMailed PSA/DNA that I did not want to renew my contract and wanted my signature taken off all PSA/DNA Letters of Authenticity issued after the date of my eMail. I have not been a PSA/DNA authenticator since February 2009.

[packs]

It sounds like Joe Jackson doesn't really have a signature so nothing he's ever signed should be considered an autograph. Him drawing his name is equal to him drawing a smiley face or any other doodle, no?

[travrosty]

now mr. darvick is a baseball autograph authenticator, is the babe ruth siganture on the cover of your book "collecting autographs" a real babe ruth autograph, mr. darvick?

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Herman Darvick

The authenticity of the "Joe Jackson" has never been questioned.

Of course it's been questioned. Many, many, times. There is no definitive answer, and there never will be.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Of course it's been questioned. Many, many, times. There is no definitive answer, and there never will be.

and I guess that's just the autograph business in a nutshell David. It really blows

[travrosty]

he was a psa authenticator for over 3 years and is now turning against his old company. wonder if spence, his new boss thinks its a real jackson autograph?

[RichardSimon]

Something I don't quite understand here,,,
Pawn Stars, which I have watched for a grand total of 5 minutes, when they had Orville Wright signatures brought into the store, sent the book with Joe Jackson's autograph to PSA? Isn't this the show that trumpets the arrival of Drew Max (he authenticated the Orville Wright signatures) when he arrives at their store.
I would love to know why Drew Max was not used to examine this Joe Jackson autograph. I would love to know what Drew Max would have said on the air about this Joe Jackson autograph.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Something I don't quite understand here,,,
Pawn Stars, which I have watched for a grand total of 5 minutes, when they had Orville Wright signatures brought into the store, sent the book with Joe Jackson's autograph to PSA?

So maybe there was something going on other than just a scripted plot....but equally nefarious?

[sylbry]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Something I don't quite understand here,,,
Pawn Stars, which I have watched for a grand total of 5 minutes, when they had Orville Wright signatures brought into the store, sent the book with Joe Jackson's autograph to PSA? Isn't this the show that trumpets the arrival of Drew Max (he authenticated the Orville Wright signatures) when he arrives at their store.
I would love to know why Drew Max was not used to examine this Joe Jackson autograph. I would love to know what Drew Max would have said on the air about this Joe Jackson autograph.

I will go out on a limb and say it is a scripted show and the scripted called for
them to make a mistake, perhaps to show not everything they purchase works out. Drew Max would have certainly called the signature authentic and trumpeted the fact that it is worth far more than what Rick paid. Thus Drew wasn't right for the part.

[Rob D.]

Something I don't quite understand ...

How come the professor could make all of those nifty gadgets, but he couldn't invent something that would help get the castaways off of the island?

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by sylbry

Drew Max would have certainly called the signature authentic and trumpeted the fact that it is worth far more than what Rick paid. Thus Drew wasn't right for the part.

You need to take this more seriously. I happen to know for a fact that Drew was in the hospital because some joker put a spring loaded snake that jumped out of his big black magnifying glass bag like that fake can of nuts trick.

Nearly scared him to death.

My best goes out to Drew for a quick recovery.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Something I don't quite understand here,,,
Pawn Stars, which I have watched for a grand total of 5 minutes, when they had Orville Wright signatures brought into the store, sent the book with Joe Jackson's autograph to PSA? Isn't this the show that trumpets the arrival of Drew Max (he authenticated the Orville Wright signatures) when he arrives at their store.
I would love to know why Drew Max was not used to examine this Joe Jackson autograph. I would love to know what Drew Max would have said on the air about this Joe Jackson autograph.

they only use Drew when there is no authentication that accompanies the piece, if it already has a cert from someone, I believe Drew recuses himself from opining on the piece, probably to avoid dueling authenticators. just my opinion.

[vintagechris]

Originally Posted by travrosty

they only use Drew when there is no authentication that accompanies the piece, if it already has a cert from someone, I believe Drew recuses himself from opining on the piece, probably to avoid dueling authenticators. just my opinion.

I could be wrong, but they may not be using Drew Max anymore. It seems like he hasn't been on this season. On another note, I believe he is pictured on Frank Prisco's website posing with Frank.