A most difficult thread- helping a friend, Bill Hedin

[ctownboy]

Tim Kindler,

Nice thought but, in my opinion, you would be an enabler. In your hypothetic situation, you gave money to a begger and don't seem to have a problem with that begger buying meth with it. A better solution for the begger and the world would be if you gave that money instead to a clinic which helps meth addicts get clean.

I haven't read every post in this thread but as far as Mr. Hedlin goes, maybe a better solution would be to find out where some of his bills are or who he or his wife owes and donate money to that. Then, people who donated money wont feel so bad because the money they gave actually went to pay for what it was thought to be going for. After that, if Mr. Hedlin wants to spend some of his other money on cards then so be it.

David

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by ctownboy

Tim Kindler,

Nice thought but, in my opinion, you would be an enabler. In your hypothetic situation, you gave money to a begger and don't seem to have a problem with that begger buying meth with it. A better solution for the begger and the world would be if you gave that money instead to a clinic which helps meth addicts get clean.

I haven't read every post in this thread but as far as Mr. Hedlin goes, maybe a better solution would be to find out where some of his bills are or who he or his wife owes and donate money to that. Then, people who donated money wont feel so bad because the money they gave actually went to pay for what it was thought to be going for. After that, if Mr. Hedlin wants to spend some of his other money on cards then so be it.

David

Wow,

You do realize that Bill hasn't received a penny, and that he never asked for anything. He made a fleeting comment, then a random act of kindness happened collectively by this community, only to be tarnished by a few people who "donated" with the hidden condition that he not be caught buying any more cards, all of this happened within 48 hours. Yuck.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

Wow,

You do realize that Bill hasn't received a penny, and that he never asked for anything. He made a fleeting comment, then a random act of kindness happened collectively by this community, only to be tarnished by a few people who "donated" with the hidden condition that he not be caught buying any more cards, all of this happened within 48 hours. Yuck.

That is not, in my opinion, fair. What a few guys said is that they donated on the assumption -- based on Bill's own words -- that Bill would have to sell his collection to pay for the expenses.

[Tim Kindler]

Matt,
Not sure if you were talking about me, but I don't think my thoughts were ugly?? IF you weren't, no problem, but if you were, it is still alright. Like I said differing opinions are good.

ctownboy,
I get where you are coming from. It is the thought I have for example where our schools like in Chicago stay open even during a strike to feed the children when this enables the parents to not be responsible and take care of their own. I guess my hypotheical situation didn't come out the way I had intended it to. You are correct in saying that if I knew the guy would buy meth, giving him the money would enable his addiction...totally agree. What I meant by my situation is that I would give freely from my heart certainly hoping it would be used for the right reasons, but that if it wasn't then at least I did my part to try to help someone in need.
Take Care,
Tim Kindler

Like an earlier poster said, It is not really the right thing to do, discussing this in Bill's time of mourning, so I'm not going to continue this anymore. I've said my opinion and will get back to looking at cards.

Take care Bill and everyone who has helped him out.

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by Tim Kindler

Matt,
Not sure if you were talking about me, but I don't think my thoughts were ugly?? IF you weren't, no problem, but if you were, it is still alright. Like I said differing opinions are good.

Not you, at all, Tim.

Peter, ok. I'm still shocked.

And I realize my comment was over the top.