OT: This is why baseball is great

[sportscardpete]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I think the Rangers were in first place for nearly every day of the season except one...the last day! And now they run the risk of having one more bad game and being done for the season. Hats off to Oakland.

And congrats to Miguel Cabrera, for a truly special season.

I'm going to throw up if Trout gets MVP. Not that he doesn't deserve it, but if Cabrera isn't MVP after winning the triple crown, then the voting system is screwed up.

[edhans]

Originally Posted by sportscardpete

I'm going to throw up if Trout gets MVP. Not that he doesn't deserve it, but if Cabrera isn't MVP after winning the triple crown, then the voting system is screwed up.

Pete,
Don't forget that defense counts when determining a players value.

[sportscardpete]

Originally Posted by edhans

Pete,
Don't forget that defense counts when determining a players value.

ED -

That's true, but so should making the playoffs.

Pete

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by sportscardpete

ED -

That's true, but so should making the playoffs.

Pete

Why? Cabrera made the playoffs but his team had a worse winning percentage than the Trouts. (Det - .543/LAA - .549). If both leagues just put in their to 6 teams Detroit wouldn't have made it.

Detroit the 7th place team in the A.L. Yet teams 3 and 4 have to play a one game playoff to see who gets into the play in the playoffs teams 5 and 6 don't get in at all. Anyways that is off subject.

Baseball is still great, but they will keep losing fans if they don't make it easier to be a fan.

[prewarsports]

100 years from now people will still be talking about Miguel Cabrera's season. How do you not reward that with the MVP award? I know defense counts, but it doesn't count THAT much. I watched Trout a lot this year play against the Mariners and he is a great player, but I agree that if you dont give it to Cabrera, something is wrong with the voting.

I do however completely disagree and always will with the notion that you have to be a playoff team to win MVP. This is a recent trend developed in the last 20 years or so as a result of ESPN and other Talk Shows overanalyzing Sports to no end. Look at the history of the MVP award since it was started. Yes sometimes the players pre 1990 made the playoffs, but a good portion of the time they didn't and that was always ok until recently and now people treat it like a hard rule.

MVP means "best player" despite how you want to interpret the "Value" aspect of it. For some reason they dont do this for Cy Young and often times reward a pitcher like Felix Hernandez for being dominant on a bad team, but flip the tables on hitters. There is no logic to this no matter how people try and stretch it.

Sometimes the best players in the game are on bad or mediocre teams and that is the beauty of baseball!

[doug.goodman]

There is precedent for winning the triple crown and not winning the MVP, just Ted Williams (twice).

[bosoxfan]

Originally Posted by sportscardpete

I'm going to throw up if Trout gets MVP. Not that he doesn't deserve it, but if Cabrera isn't MVP after winning the triple crown, then the voting system is screwed up.

In 1942 and 1947 Ted Williams won the triple crown in both years only to finish 2nd in the MVP voting. Heck, I believe he also lead both years in runs scored, BB, OPS, and WAR by substantial amounts.

[sportscardpete]

Originally Posted by bosoxfan

In 1942 and 1947 Ted Williams won the triple crown in both years only to finish 2nd in the MVP voting. Heck, I believe he also lead both years in runs scored, BB, OPS, and WAR by substantial amounts.

There was a triple crown winner 4 times in the ten years preceding Ted Williams' 1942 and 1947 seasons. I'm sure it means more now, considering how long it is has been.

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by bosoxfan

In 1942 and 1947 Ted Williams won the triple crown in both years only to finish 2nd in the MVP voting.

While Teddy Ballgame was a Sophomore in High School, the Iron Horse was busy winning the 1934 Triple Crown. However, he didn't fare to well in the MVP balloting, finishing fifth. FIFTH! Two Pitchers finished ahead of Gehrig, including one of his own teammates!

[howard38]

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