1909-11 T206 Johnny Evers

[drmondobueno]

My name is Keith. I started collecting again earlier this year. Been lots of fun, entertaining, educational. A few months back I acquired a card graded a 6 by CSA. It didn't take me long to realize the card looked nice but there did not seem to be a lot of CSA holstered t206 out there. So I had the card regarded by CGS. Lo and behold.....it came back graded a 50! So it was not trimmed but it sure as h#|| was not a high-end card. Looks pretty good. glad I did not pay 8000 for it...

So maybe your card is not trimmed. From my limited experience I would suspect the card is highly overgraded at best.

Oh yeah. A word to the wise. If the experienced professional gents in this forum suspect the card is trimmed I would listen up or move on. But that's me, I guess.

Peace

[bunst]

Originally Posted by drmondobueno

So I had the card regarded by CGS.
Peace

Huh?

[jimq]

Here's some better scans of the Evers from the auction where the OP bought the card for $345. I feel bad in a way for the OP, he bought some cards graded by subprime graders, he bought a Christmas pack, and bought some from a mad ex selling her ex-husband's cards. I guess he's managed to avoid the attic find so far.

He's doing the same thing most of us did when we started collecting. I remember opening packs and looking at the current Beckett to see what cards were "worth".

Friendly suggestion to the OP - spend some time here reading and learning, then buy cards you like because you like them, and buy cards graded by professional graders.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/300747340671

[pawpawdiv9]

Originally Posted by jimq

Here's some better scans of the Evers from the auction where the OP bought the card for $345. I feel bad in a way for the OP, he bought some cards graded by subprime graders, he bought a Christmas pack, and bought some from a mad ex selling her ex-husband's cards. I guess he's managed to avoid the attic find so far.

He's doing the same thing most of us did when we started collecting. I remember opening packs and looking at the current Beckett to see what cards were "worth".

Friendly suggestion to the OP - spend some time here reading and learning, then buy cards you like because you like them, and buy cards graded by professional graders.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/300747340671

Ok. nice response said. Yes i do go by Beckett price guide. And yes, i am not a saavy collector. Yes, i could gain some knowledge here. And yes, buying graded cards seems to be the best idea, preferabbly PSA,BECK, SGC.
I do not know what stuff to look for.

Hopefully we can get pass what was done and call it a dumb move. I have said those items are going to be sent in to be graded This will give some relief in this matter. Bygones be bygones.
I did contact the previous owner of the CSA and ask him questions.
Now leave me alone on ebay and i'll read these forums and learn some information.

Now onto a question- Has anyone ever bought a PSA, BEck, SGC and cross it over and have it trimmed? Like if someone was just a PSA collector.

[BleedinBlue]

I have had several sgc cards which did not cross to Psa due to trimming. Around 1%. That is the exception rather than the rule. I know others have had issues with Psa cards gettin into sgc holders. Probably at a higher rate based on the opinions on this board. However. Nearly all CSA cards are in those holders because they will not get into numbered Psa or sgc holders.

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by bunst

Huh?

It's SGC backwards.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by bunst

Huh?

Oops. I do the CGS/SGC thing all the time. Apologies

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by drmondobueno

Oops. I do the CGS/SGC thing all the time. Apologies

I would still use CGS before CSA....

[T206Collector]

I crossed 40 mid/hi graded T206s that had been graded by PSA into SGC holders a while back. SGC only graded 30 of them -- 9 didn't meet the minimum grade requirement, and 1 came back as "evidence trim."

I think it's okay to sell a CSA card on ebay, but you need to sell it for what it is without trying to tempt unsuspecting bidders into buying something that it is not. You should be selling CSA's opinion (whatever that's worth) on the card, and leaving your own opinions out.

Good luck with the sale!

[pawpawdiv9]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I crossed 40 mid/hi graded T206s that had been graded by PSA into SGC holders a while back. SGC only graded 30 of them -- 9 didn't meet the minimum grade requirement, and 1 came back as "evidence trim."

I think it's okay to sell a CSA card on ebay, but you need to sell it for what it is without trying to tempt unsuspecting bidders into buying something that it is not. You should be selling CSA's opinion (whatever that's worth) on the card, and leaving your own opinions out.

Good luck with the sale!

Thanks for the input.. I leave it as simple then, none of the other stuff. o.k.

[pawpawdiv9]

i heard SGC is good on older cards, of course like t206... but as for the mid-50's cards, who is better? If you noticed, most of my Mantles are SGC. At least i did something right there.
As a Beckett person, i been hearing more people likeing PSA more, but theres also talks on the cases now, especially SGC's.

[bundy462]

I'm with the last few responders...+1. Since when does the community tolerate scammers and thieves? This guy knows he has reprints and is selling them as authentic on eBay. I agree that the posts ought to stay on the board to expose the fraud, but stop helping the guy with responses!

Maybe some of the responders just aren't educated on the history of this bozo:

http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=157391

[Bocabirdman]

I was hoping he would just slink off somewhere else. Leon mentioned the Ruth scenerio which is much worse than the CSA Evers drama. I would never deal with him. I would like to pat the collective board on the back with an "atta boy" regarding the overall civilized manner with which this saga was dealt with. Has he been around in the last couple days?

By the way, I repeatedly asked him to explain his actions. Did he ever even try to explain selling the fake Ruth over on the Bay?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

I was hoping he would just slink off somewhere else. Leon mentioned the Ruth scenerio which is much worse than the CSA Evers drama. I would never deal with him. I would like to pat the collective board on the back with an "atta boy" regarding the overall civilized manner with which this saga was dealt with. Has he been around in the last couple days?

By the way, I repeatedly asked him to explain his actions. Did he ever even try to explain selling the fake Ruth over on the Bay?

I can see his future on this board being short lived and not very good, if nothing changes. The Ruth auction was stopped by the seller. Maybe he is seeing his fraudulent ways and is changing?