Blue Old Mill T206 Walsh at Chantilly Show - My Opinion Has Changed

[benchod]

So is Huggins and Scott going to be auctioning it?
I thought a member here was putting together a private deal for it?

[t206blogcom]

Yes, it'll be in the December auction. I think they said the starting bid will be around $15k.

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by t206blogcom

Yes, it'll be in the December auction. I think they said the starting bid will be around $15k.

Impatient to see the result.

[prewarsports]

A $200-$300 card being worth 100X the value because the black ink may have faded into a bluish color on the back is (in my opinion) the absolute dumbest thing I have seen in 25 years of prewar card collecting.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

A $200-$300 card being worth 100X the value because the black ink may have faded into a bluish color on the back is (in my opinion) the absolute dumbest thing I have seen in 25 years of prewar card collecting.

+10!

[E93]

The nearly universal opinion of many T206 experts and veteran hobbyists who saw the card in person at the National was that it was real, unaltered, and blue (not faded black). To my knowledge Jason was the first person who has actually seen the card in person to suggest otherwise and he mentioned that lighting may have been the cause. One can see from the photos that it is a different color than the black Old Mills. He did not question the authenticity or unaltered status of the card.
JimB

[prewarsports]

OK

So why are there no differences between front color variances? We know that ALL T206 cards can have color variations where the blue is darker on some cards than others or the red is orange on some cards etc. Why is this considered normal color variations on the card fronts but a slight color variance (so slight that people who see it in person cant even agree) but on the back it is 100X more valuable?

[CW]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

OK

So why are there no differences between front color variances? We know that ALL T206 cards can have color variations where the blue is darker on some cards than others or the red is orange on some cards etc. Why is this considered normal color variations on the card fronts but a slight color variance (so slight that people who see it in person cant even agree) but on the back it is 100X more valuable?

This is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it may actually be true... back collectors are, simply put, crazy. They are an entirely different breed. Have you seen some of their collages? They're obsessed with the backs of cards, of all things!

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

OK

So why are there no differences between front color variances? We know that ALL T206 cards can have color variations where the blue is darker on some cards than others or the red is orange on some cards etc. Why is this considered normal color variations on the card fronts but a slight color variance (so slight that people who see it in person cant even agree) but on the back it is 100X more valuable?

Once again Rhys has nailed it. There are endless front color variations that garner several hundred dollars. But when the ink on the back reveals a slightly bluish tint, why is it worth well into five figures? Many of us are baffled by it.

I've never seen the card in person, but I've never questioned the expertise of those who did. I do believe it is original and unaltered and that the ink is at minimum a bluish black color. But nobody has a clue how it got that way- it's possible it was due to some chemical reaction to the black ink long after printing. And I realize some feel that is impossible but there still are variables that we don't even know about.

I think the card is nothing more than an interesting anomaly. That said, I expect a few guys with a lot of extra cash to run the bidding up into the tens of thousands of dollars. More power to them.

[Leon]

"Lighting" definitely makes a difference on how the color looks. At least it did to me.

[Pat R]

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[iwantitiwinit]

With

Originally Posted by barrysloate

+10!

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

A $200-$300 card being worth 100X the value because the black ink may have faded into a bluish color on the back is (in my opinion) the absolute dumbest thing I have seen in 25 years of prewar card collecting.

Post of the day.

[tbob]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

A $200-$300 card being worth 100X the value because the black ink may have faded into a bluish color on the back is (in my opinion) the absolute dumbest thing I have seen in 25 years of prewar card collecting.

Thank you!
+1

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by t206blogcom

Yes, it'll be in the December auction. I think they said the starting bid will be around $15k.

I wish the seller the best and I hope he gets what he’s looking for. I will say that I’m a bit surprised how much the card has fallen off. I think the hype surrounding and the timing was the perfect storm for the seller to maximize.

Actually I was one of the fools that you guys speak of. I know it has been hinted a few times that somebody made a solid offer of 30-35k on the card at the national. In fact I was the person who offered Dave that for the card. In a way I’m glad he didn’t take it because I do think a bit of national fever had me caught up and valuing the card about twice what I would pay today. Even 15k I think is a bit generous given that there are no other known examples. Which in the end hurts this card IMO.

As for the card itself it looked blue to me. There were some odd things going on via the front but nothing major. Part of the deal was Dave to except my offer was that I got to crack the card in the presence of SGC and look it over raw myself. Had that happened I could say 100% yay or nay for what that’s worth. However in the holder it looked ok for me to gamble.

Also I’m not sure who is really left out there to buy on this type of anomaly. I know Dave ran this up the ladders of the usual suspects of which all passed. I know I made a solid offer and now it’s in Huggins & Scott. Hopefully Huggins can get new bidders to the table and get the card across the finish line of what Dave is looking for.

For transparency I will not be bidding either I will wait till a second example pops up.

Cheers,

John

[mrvster]

I think you made a great decision in all due respect to seller

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by mrvster

I think you made a great decision in all due respect to seller

Kinda confused...what great decision are you talking about?

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

Kinda confused...what great decision are you talking about?

I believe he is referring to John's decision on not buying the card.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Jlighter

I believe he is referring to John's decision on not buying the card.

If I'm reading it correctly, John offered 30k+ for the card and the guy didn't take it? That would take the decision out of John's hand and into the seller...that's where the confusion is.

John stated that he was glad the guy didn't take his offer because he got kinda caught up into the moment.

Unless everyone is saying he IS making a great decision on the sale of the card now...in that case, it is a great decision!