psa/jsa ty cobb controversy on HOS

[Big Dave]

That Cobb is an absolute joke...a lot worse then Morals, AAU , Frangipani, or others of this caliber have authenticated. But as stated...the big blind boys authenticated it....so it must be a pig with a dress on.

[travrosty]

only one other comment on this huge story means its working.

thanks big dave,

no one else want to comment on a huge breaking story?

a coaches corner/morales silly autograph that everyone knows is ??? gets a few dozen responses and outrage on how such autographs can be released on the public, but no comment here, huh?

oh well, guess they are pulling for psa and jsa to continue to do what they do.

[GrayGhost]

WEll, you seem to be on a witch hunt against these guys more often than anything else. Maybe people are getting tired of it.

It does seem tho that there are obvious mistakes made. Everyone needs to be accountable, be it these g uys or Joe Badalucca who saw his Granddad get Ty Cobb's autograph at Close Shave haircuts store in 1949

[vintagechris]

I don't think it is so much a witch hunt, but real concerns about their shoddy work. I have my own concerns and don't really trust the ABC guys either.

I posed this question long ago and got no reply so I will pose it again, especially knowing there is at least one poster on here who works for a major auction house, but what is the process of getting these things authenticated? Do they fly someone in? Who do they fly in? How long do they examine the stuff? How much stuff that is consigned doesn't pass? When looking at larger lots, do they pull things that are not authentic?

I ask this because I one bought a signed FB lot from an auction house that supposedly had been looked at by one of the ABC guys and it was loaded with obvious forgeries that even the most novice autograph collector would be able to tell and by loaded I mean over 30% obvious fakes.

Could it be that auction houses and authenticators alike make too much money off each other to really care?

I know for me I am not on a witch hunt, but I would like a little more accountability. I mean there really should be no reason to pass a photo copy as authentic, but they seem to get a pass for it as a simple mistake, at best it is complete and total negligence, at worse it is almost criminal.

[prewarsports]

Without ANY regard to the signature itself, old timers would pretty much sign whatever you sent them in the mail so Cobb himself if this item had been sent to him in the mail probably would not send it back unsigned and tell some kid "This aint me in this photo". Research and photo identification were not very goo back in the day so it really did used to happen. Plus he probably wouldn't even know it wasn't him as it looks pretty close

No comment on the signature itself, just want to let you guys know that it was not uncommon for players to sign photos that did not picture them back when they were signed TTM for free in the 1950's-1980's. If someone thought it was Cobb and sent it to him to sign, he would have signed it. Once agin though, NOT saying I like the autographs themselves in any way.

Rhys

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by vintagechris

I don't think it is so much a witch hunt, but real concerns about their shoddy work. I have my own concerns and don't really trust the ABC guys either.

I posed this question long ago and got no reply so I will pose it again, especially knowing there is at least one poster on here who works for a major auction house, but what is the process of getting these things authenticated? Do they fly someone in? Who do they fly in? How long do they examine the stuff? How much stuff that is consigned doesn't pass? When looking at larger lots, do they pull things that are not authentic?

I ask this because I one bought a signed FB lot from an auction house that supposedly had been looked at by one of the ABC guys and it was loaded with obvious forgeries that even the most novice autograph collector would be able to tell and by loaded I mean over 30% obvious fakes.

Could it be that auction houses and authenticators alike make too much money off each other to really care?

I know for me I am not on a witch hunt, but I would like a little more accountability. I mean there really should be no reason to pass a photo copy as authentic, but they seem to get a pass for it as a simple mistake, at best it is complete and total negligence, at worse it is almost criminal.

they wont answer any of these questions because they dont want you to know how the sausage is made, and there isnt a big enough demand for it, most people just want the cert and the auction houses just want the stuff to pass. its apathy all around.

[travrosty]

Gray Ghost==

now seriously, i want to know why you are getting tired of it. is it lies, untruths, what????????????? you dont want people to know the truth about these companies?

what is it?

[ibuysportsephemera]

Originally Posted by travrosty

only one other comment on this huge story means its working.

thanks big dave,

no one else want to comment on a huge breaking story?

a coaches corner/morales silly autograph that everyone knows is ??? gets a few dozen responses and outrage on how such autographs can be released on the public, but no comment here, huh?

oh well, guess they are pulling for psa and jsa to continue to do what they do.

Because Travis you are a one trick pony. Without even reading the thread, I know what you are going to say. I still don't understand why you continue to compare the alphabet boys with the roaches. In case you are curious, it comes off as defending the roaches...is that what you are doing?

Jeff

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

I still don't understand why you continue to compare the alphabet boys with the roaches.

Why, Jeff? I'll tell you why. Because nobody "in the hobby" gives a shit about the roaches, Morales, Priddy, et. al. None of them pose the slightest threat. They are a joke.

The "alphabet boys," on the other hand, are quite a different story. How many high-end, yet forged, pieces are sitting in top collections right now?

[ibuysportsephemera]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Why, Jeff? I'll tell you why. Because nobody "in the hobby" gives a shit about the roaches, Morales, Priddy, et. al. None of them pose the slightest threat. They are a joke.

The "alphabet boys," on the other hand, are quite a different story. How many high-end, yet forged, pieces are sitting in top collections right now?

For the record, I don't disagree with Travis about the alphabet boys. I just can't stand that in 90% of his posts he says the same general things over and over again (in his own thread and others). I guess I could block Travis, but sometimes he has some interesting things to say.

Jeff