psa/jsa ty cobb controversy on HOS

mighty bombjack · #1 10-17-2012, 09:09 PM

Yet another reason not to blindly use these companies as your only source of information. Seems to be especially true for Cobb.

I'm more interested in this part of the article:

"Sources indicate that the FBI is aware of the serious problems with both JSA and PSA�s *track record of authenticating Cobb forgeries. *However, one other source, who was recently victimized purchasing over $10,000 in forgeries, told us that the FBI indicated they could not take their case because the dollar amount of the transaction was not substantial enough."

What sources indicate this, and what case could the FBI make against the alphabets? I was under the impression that their language of "opinion only" covered them from criminal negligence. Making mistakes in your job and providing shoddy service when mistakes are pointed out are not crimes. I would imagine it would be near impossible to prove any criminal intent or action here.

RichardSimon · #2 10-18-2012, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

Yet another reason not to blindly use these companies as your only source of information. Seems to be especially true for Cobb.

I'm more interested in this part of the article:

"Sources indicate that the FBI is aware of the serious problems with both JSA and PSA’s *track record of authenticating Cobb forgeries. *However, one other source, who was recently victimized purchasing over $10,000 in forgeries, told us that the FBI indicated they could not take their case because the dollar amount of the transaction was not substantial enough."

What sources indicate this, and what case could the FBI make against the alphabets? I was under the impression that their language of "opinion only" covered them from criminal negligence. Making mistakes in your job and providing shoddy service when mistakes are pointed out are not crimes. I would imagine it would be near impossible to prove any criminal intent or action here.

If the FBI is looking into the ABC authenticators it cannot be for negligence. I have no first hand knowledge that the FBI is looking at them but if they are it is not for negligence.

mighty bombjack · #3 10-18-2012, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon

If the FBI is looking into the ABC authenticators it cannot be for negligence. I have no first hand knowledge that the FBI is looking at them but if they are it is not for negligence.

That's essentially what I'm saying. So what does it mean to say that he FBI is aware of their problems with authenticating Cobb? If they suck at it, what does the FBI care? I wonder if Nash is blowing smoke on that issue.

Mr. Zipper · #4 10-18-2012, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

That's essentially what I'm saying. So what does it mean to say that he FBI is aware of their problems with authenticating Cobb? If they suck at it, what does the FBI care? I wonder if Nash is blowing smoke on that issue.

Of course they are. It's always the phony baloney "according to sources" the FBI is investigating this TPA or that one. Allegedly they report the FBI was seen talking to PSA or JSA at the National and they try to spin it like they are being interrogated. Right... Like that's how the FBI conducts formal interviews.... on the busy floor of baseball card shows.

It's pure wishful thinking and one of the standard talking points that is part of the coordinated campaign.

Leon · #5 10-18-2012, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Of course they are. It's always the phony baloney "according to sources" the FBI is investigating this TPA or that one. Allegedly they report the FBI was seen talking to PSA or JSA at the National and they try to spin it like they are being interrogated. Right... Like that's how the FBI conducts formal interviews.... on the busy floor of baseball card shows.

It's pure wishful thinking and one of the standard talking points that is part of the coordinated campaign.

Wayne is correct, above. Also, I am on your side Steve but I think the FBI probably does work in many different ways. I wouldn't be surprised if part of their investigative procedures involve places like public venues. But what do I know?

travrosty · #6 10-18-2012, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Of course they are. It's always the phony baloney "according to sources" the FBI is investigating this TPA or that one. Allegedly they report the FBI was seen talking to PSA or JSA at the National and they try to spin it like they are being interrogated. Right... Like that's how the FBI conducts formal interviews.... on the busy floor of baseball card shows.

It's pure wishful thinking and one of the standard talking points that is part of the coordinated campaign.

glad someone here knows exactly why the fbi talks to these guys at the national. saying that others dont know but you do, is applying the same logic that you are trying to debunk.

just wait until it all shakes out then we will hear the crickets from the people defending this insanity of tpa shell game.

mighty bombjack · #7 10-18-2012, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by travrosty

glad someone here knows exactly why the fbi talks to these guys at the national. saying that others dont know but you do, is applying the same logic that you are trying to debunk.

just wait until it all shakes out then we will hear the crickets from the people defending this insanity of tpa shell game.

What crime will the FBI be charging JSA and PSA/DNA with?

cubsfan-budman · #8 10-18-2012, 10:26 PM

Max, that book was an awesome addition to this thread.

travrosty · #9 10-18-2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

What crime will the FBI be charging JSA and PSA/DNA with?

wearing a baseball themed bowtie on television.

RichardSimon · #10 10-18-2012, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

That's essentially what I'm saying. So what does it mean to say that he FBI is aware of their problems with authenticating Cobb? If they suck at it, what does the FBI care? I wonder if Nash is blowing smoke on that issue.

I wonder if the implication is that there are other issues involved?
Just asking.

mighty bombjack · #11 10-18-2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I wonder if the implication is that there are other issues involved?
Just asking.

And now we're getting somewhere. I certainly do not like the fact (if true) that an authenticator for these companies is selling one of these autos. That is what i would term a conflict of interest at bestn and a formula for printing money at worst.

baseballart · #12 10-18-2012, 08:55 AM

I can't offer any opinion on the signature, but interestingly, a 1970s Putnam Sports Shelf bio on Cobb features the photo of Simmons

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Max

mighty bombjack · #13 10-18-2012, 09:01 AM

Wow! That's very interesting. Thanks for posting the book, Max.

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