Signed by Rocky Marciano or an elaborate hoax?

[JimStinson]

Maybe try writing in care of his fan club

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

Maybe try writing in care of his fan club

orlando wont come on here. too busy stonewalling


they just dont know how to say no over there at professional sports authenticators/ dna.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

Maybe try writing in care of his fan club

.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

Maybe try writing in care of his fan club

Maybe if you "Knock 3 times" on his forehead, He will come?

"twice on the pipe", "means he ain't gonna show"!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emvVDC1-bwI

[toybulldog]

Crickets so far. I'm not being sarcastic when I say I'm hard pressed to think of a more inconsistent autograph that has been passed and certified by a TPA. I'm sure they're out there but this one is definitely in my top five.

Was this the process they used to determine the Marciano signed gloves are authentic or is it just a favortism shown to a certain submitter with no authentication process used at all?



Perhaps they can make one of their videos showing how this process is carried out and use the Marciano signed gloves as an example?

[Sean1125]

PSA... Taking responsibility?

Never seen those in the same sentence before without something in between them.

I've spoken with Mantle/Dimmagio/Williams/Killebrew's ex-agent Jerry Romolt (he lives just a couple minutes away from me), on more than plenty of occasions and what he has to say about the company (and mainly Mr. Orlando) isn't anything positive, he seemed to know much more of their "unexposed" BS than I do/did.

[travrosty]

the fact that the signed photo looks like the glove and the capital R in Rocky isnt anything what is suppose to be a late 60's autograph of marciano just cements for me.

[toybulldog]

Originally Posted by travrosty

the fact that the signed photo looks like the glove and the capital R in Rocky isnt anything what is suppose to be a late 60's autograph of marciano just cements for me.

I just went through each and every year from 1948 to 1969 and could not find a similar "R" in any example. Not only could I not find a similar "R" in his signature, I could not find a similar "R" in any of his writings.

The notorized letter of provenance states:

"I remember Rocky telling me that he was going to sign the gloves to me so that everyone would know that they were really his sparring gloves from 1951 that he used to get ready for his championship bout with "Jersey" Joe Walcott in 1952, in which Rocky became the new World Heavyweight Boxing Champion. Rocky signed both sets of gloves to me personally, a total of (4) signatures".



Does it state he witnessed the gloves signed or that they were signed in his presence? Could the owners beginning statement "I remember Rocky telling me that he was going to sign the gloves to me" be an indication that he didn't have a clear recollection and might be mistaken?

If PSA/DNA doesn't want to come on here and shed some light on this peculiar item is there anyone who can come up with a similar exemplar or similar handwriting to the inscription?

Remember, this item is being sold as:

Rocky Marciano 1951 Used Sparring Gloves For "Jersey" Joe Walcott Championship Fight - Both Gloves Signed PSA/DNA and Notarized Letter of Provenance

And:

Our research indicates this is the only pair of worn Marciano gloves ever signed and authenticated by PSA/DNA.

And:

Finding PSA/DNA authenticated signed and worn gloves from Marciano, well this is the first.

And:

While the notarized letter mentions Walcott, that Marciano fought Joe Louis on 10/27/51 so it is likely these gloves were used for training in that fight as well.

Just an all-around irresponsible listing by this auction house. There is no clear proof that these are training gloves worn by Marciano other than someone said that Rocky Marciano said. And is the comment in the listing "that Marciano fought Joe Louis on 10/27/51 so it is likely these gloves were used for training in that fight as well." just an example of how this items value is trying to be enhanced? I'm not doubting this individual might have had a relationship with Rocky Marciano but IMO it is being played upon big time here.

Did this TPA authenticate this autograph without one shred of supporting evidence just to enhance the value of this item?

Did this TPA use the process they claim in post #28? Can they walk us through it using this auction lot as an example? Or is that a false statement on their web site?

FBI, Bureau of Consumer Protection can you see how worthless items could and sometimes do get sold for $25,000 or more?

Again, PSA/DNA or anyone else, feel free to comment or add any evidence that supports this items legitimacy.

Mark Ogren
Sch'dy, NY

[JimStinson]

POP QUIZ: What was Rocky Marciano's preferred boxing brand ?

[RichardSimon]

If anyone has any Hank Aaron autographs from around 1954 please post them.
Thanks.