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11-03-2012, 11:00 AM
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I'll grant you Dahlen was better than Joe Tinker and probably several other SSs, but the fact that many players already are in who shouldn't be is not, in my mind, a justification for letting in others just because they are comparable or better. The inevitable result of that logic would be extreme dilution. I'd rather have some inequalities than open the floodgates. I am sure Jim Kaat, Luis Tiant and Tommy John (to name a few) are better than pitchers already enshrined. Ken Boyer was probably as good as Santo, or if not, better than some 3B already in. You could probably name a host of guys who were, in context, better than Schoendienst, Kell, Mazeroski, Gordon, not to mention all the undeserving 30s players that Frankie Frisch pushed through. Let em all in?
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11-03-2012, 11:23 AM
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Well we can start with ones that come up all the time: Hodges, Garvey, Oliva, Munson, Maris.
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11-03-2012, 11:43 AM
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It's surprising, in light of Hodges' impressive career stats, that he does so poorly on baseball reference. Bill James ranks him only #30 among first basemen, too.
Black Ink Batting - 2 (604), Average HOFer ≈ 27 Gray Ink Batting - 128 (140), Average HOFer ≈ 144 Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 83 (225), Likely HOFer ≈ 100 Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 32 (272), Average HOFer ≈ 50
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11-03-2012, 11:47 AM
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I give Hodges credit for his awesome fielding, and some more credit for his management of the Mets. He died early, was never a self-promoter while alive, and faded from the spotlight long ago. But he was probably one of, if not the, most admired and respected ballplayers, by other ballplayers, of his time.
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11-03-2012, 11:52 AM
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Garvey also fares poorly, to my surprise as he surely was for quite a few years one of the best players in the game.
Black Ink Batting - 12 (199), Average HOFer ≈ 27 Gray Ink Batting - 142 (112), Average HOFer ≈ 144 Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 130 (106), Likely HOFer ≈ 100 Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 32 (281), Average HOFer ≈ 50
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