New T205 Website with Master Checklist

[KrenBats]

Ron, great site! I look forward to the site growing with more content. I have a card not on the Master Checklist, a Broad Leaf black EJ Phelps. Is this a new discovery?

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by KrenBats

Ron, great site! I look forward to the site growing with more content. I have a card not on the Master Checklist, a Broad Leaf black EJ Phelps. Is this a new discovery?

Its a new discovery as in its a card I haven't seen in the past year to add it to the list. Thanks for the addition, I will update the website tonight. Right now there are many cards that exist that are not checked off only because I haven't seen them yet.

[Vintagecatcher]

Nice job Ron!


Patrick

Originally Posted by KrenBats

Ron, great site! I look forward to the site growing with more content. I have a card not on the Master Checklist, a Broad Leaf black EJ Phelps. Is this a new discovery?

No it's not new. I owned the card before and believe I got it from another board member.



Ron what your saying is that you started a site that you want fellow T205 collectors to fill out for you because you didn't take the time for research in depth right? So all of us give you info we have collected for yrs and we all have a bad a$$ well informed site made. So how do I get my cut when you start getting headline, banner, and other advertising profits? My time, my knowledge, my research will not be used for someone else's gain when no effort was put forth to do their own. Hell a simple 4-5hrs on the Sgc registry and ebay would give you 90%+ of what you need. Call me sour or bitter or what ever you want but all I ask is that you do not publish any info I have given of finding I have made.

[19cbb]

Tough crowd...

[Vintagecatcher]

Ron,


Here is another one to add:

Patrick

[frankbmd]

I thought we were stewards.
History is immortal.
Sadly we are not.

[dog*dirt]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

No it's not new. I owned the card before and believe I got it from another board member.



Ron what your saying is that you started a site that you want fellow T205 collectors to fill out for you because you didn't take the time for research in depth right? So all of us give you info we have collected for yrs and we all have a bad a$$ well informed site made. So how do I get my cut when you start getting headline, banner, and other advertising profits? My time, my knowledge, my research will not be used for someone else's gain when no effort was put forth to do their own. Hell a simple 4-5hrs on the Sgc registry and ebay would give you 90%+ of what you need. Call me sour or bitter or what ever you want but all I ask is that you do not publish any info I have given of finding I have made.

I am not sure why you are so bitter about this website. Ron has stated this was because of increases in questions and posts on T205's. I hope the website becomes informative and successful for collectors.

There are many of us who could have started a similar website on T205's but Ron took the initiative to start this one. Why should we knock a guy for seeing a need and doing something to address that need? It may not be done how you want it done but that's life.

[KrenBats]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

No it's not new. I owned the card before and believe I got it from another board member.



Ron what your saying is that you started a site that you want fellow T205 collectors to fill out for you because you didn't take the time for research in depth right? So all of us give you info we have collected for yrs and we all have a bad a$$ well informed site made. So how do I get my cut when you start getting headline, banner, and other advertising profits? My time, my knowledge, my research will not be used for someone else's gain when no effort was put forth to do their own. Hell a simple 4-5hrs on the Sgc registry and ebay would give you 90%+ of what you need. Call me sour or bitter or what ever you want but all I ask is that you do not publish any info I have given of finding I have made.

Let me start of by saying that I have been collecting T205's for about 10 minutes and have a total of 4 in my collection. I definitely understand where Andrew is coming from. I have been collecting Kren bats for about 15 years and it is very difficult finding information on these bats. I have paid over $500 for catalogs, traveled to the Louisville Slugger Museum, and have spend countless hours conducting research. I would get annoyed when people would ask my opinion on bats knowing the time and money I invested in my research. (Conversly, I would get annoyed with people not willing to share their knowledge). However, by sharing the infomation that I've collected (often on this board), it has helped the overall collecting community and has hopefully saved some people shelling out big money for a Store model bat that is being called game used.

I also believe that when you give, you get more. I had provided someone information on Kren bats a couple of years ago and shared everything I had. A couple of weeks ago, he decided to sell his collection and he called me first. I would not have been able to add these bats to my collection if I was not willing to share the info I had.

For someone who is just starting out collecting T205's, it would be great to have resources similiar to the T206 sites to learn more about these cards. There were several posts about the market being down for T205's. What better way to get more people excited about collecting T205's and drive up the market?

Lastly, it is critical for the people that provide infomation get credit for their hard work. And as for advertising profits, is Leon giving us a cut from his advertising? Call me crazy, but I don't see Ron retiring anytime soon from this website. I do agree with Andrew that a little more research should have been done, but it's a start. Anyway, just a perspective from someone just staring out collecting these cards.

Mike Hud$0n

[Leon]

Originally Posted by KrenBats

Let me start of by saying that I have been collecting T205's for about 10 minutes and have a total of 4 in my collection. I definitely understand where Andrew is coming from. I have been collecting Kren bats for about 15 years and it is very difficult finding information on these bats. I have paid over $500 for catalogs, traveled to the Louisville Slugger Museum, and have spend countless hours conducting research. I would get annoyed when people would ask my opinion on bats knowing the time and money I invested in my research. (Conversly, I would get annoyed with people not willing to share their knowledge). However, by sharing the infomation that I've collected (often on this board), it has helped the overall collecting community and has hopefully saved some people shelling out big money for a Store model bat that is being called game used.

I also believe that when you give, you get more. I had provided someone information on Kren bats a couple of years ago and shared everything I had. A couple of weeks ago, he decided to sell his collection and he called me first. I would not have been able to add these bats to my collection if I was not willing to share the info I had.

For someone who is just starting out collecting T205's, it would be great to have resources similiar to the T206 sites to learn more about these cards. There were several posts about the market being down for T205's. What better way to get more people excited about collecting T205's and drive up the market?

Lastly, it is critical for the people that provide infomation get credit for their hard work. And as for advertising profits, is Leon giving us a cut from his advertising? Call me crazy, but I don't see Ron retiring anytime soon from this website. I do agree with Andrew that a little more research should have been done, but it's a start. Anyway, just a perspective from someone just staring out collecting these cards.

Mike Hud$0n

I suggest you participate in the frequent board contests or come to the National and go to the Net54baseball dinner at the National in order to understand what is given back vis a vis profits from our ads (not that I need to, but I have). The dinner has some sponsorship, usually, but I have always had to put in 4 figures or more to pay for it. Try having food and a 6 hour open bar for 200 or so people, at a nice hotel, and let me know the cost. Nah, I have never given anything back. Oh, please send your membership dues asap too. best regards

ps...Good luck with the site Ron!! Nice start.

[KrenBats]

Leon, by no means was I questioning all the great things that you do by investing in this site and the other events. It is a tremendous site and I'm sure there is a significant financial investment hosting the site, the dinners, etc. I never said that you didn't give anything back. I was just making a point that most of us share our knowledge and info on the site and don't expect money in return. The success of the site is clearly attributed to your efforts and reinvesting in the Net54 community!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by KrenBats

Leon, by no means was I questioning all the great things that you do by investing in this site and the other events. It is a tremendous site and I'm sure there is a significant financial investment hosting the site, the dinners, etc. I never said that you didn't give anything back. I was just making a point that most of us share our knowledge and info on the site and don't expect money in return. The success of the site is clearly attributed to your efforts and reinvesting in the Net54 community!

Thanks Mike. I know you understand most of what goes into running this site and the time it takes. Hopefully, as you said, the more we give the more we get. That has always been my philosophy. I consider myself very lucky to be able to moderate it, with the help of a few others. I enjoy sharing knowledge and helping other collectors. As I always say, when we are eventually on our deathbed, it won't be about what we have "gotten" but about what we have "given" and done. Take care and best of luck....and thanks for your participation and sharing of knowledge. Without our members, such as yourself, this site would be nothing (literally).

[Ease]

I think its a great start Ron. All you have to do now is fill in the blanks as far as the checklist is concerned, and that will come in time.

[Wihawk]

Thanks Ron for the site. I just started collecting a team set of Superbas(still need Dahlen, Daubert and Wilhelm r or no r doesn't interest me), so this site came at a very nice time in my BB card collecting journey.

[rsst206]

Hi Ron was going over my set. You can add this Fred Merkle
Best regards
Ron

Downey and phelps is listed as having both BL backs. Downey is an olive and phelps a black back. It is not possible for them to exist with both backs.

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

Downey and phelps is listed as having both BL backs. Downey is an olive and phelps a black back. It is not possible for them to exist with both backs.

Thank you Andrew, This is one of the topics that will be in tonights update because the scans are hard to tell sometimes between the black and olive green. I've corrected these two and it will show in tonights update. Thanks again,

Ron

[Ronnie73]

We are a week into this new website and everyone has been a lot of help. A special thank you to Andrew W. (Pup6913) for sharing his checklist with everyone. Also, to all the other Net54baseball.com members, thank you for spending the time to view the list and seeing if there's anything missing. A few changes have been made to the checklist. Variations have been added and some corrections need to be made on the following. Broadleaf backs are either a black or olive green color but not both for the same card. Because the olive green looks sometimes black on a scan, I could use some help correcting which of the two colors they might be. One other card that needs more research is the John Miller card. Without really clear large scans, its hard to identify which of the variations should be checked off. At the moment, question marks are being used until more verification happens. If you know of a variation that should be added to the list, please email me the information, Thanks.

Ron
T205Resource.com

[HercDriver]

I'm sticking with my list of 123 Sovereigns...so I think your 125 number is wrong. Joshua, any luck finding those two cards? If so, I'd love to know!

Take Care,
Geno

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

No it's not new. I owned the card before and believe I got it from another board member.



Ron what your saying is that you started a site that you want fellow T205 collectors to fill out for you because you didn't take the time for research in depth right? So all of us give you info we have collected for yrs and we all have a bad a$$ well informed site made. So how do I get my cut when you start getting headline, banner, and other advertising profits? My time, my knowledge, my research will not be used for someone else's gain when no effort was put forth to do their own. Hell a simple 4-5hrs on the Sgc registry and ebay would give you 90%+ of what you need. Call me sour or bitter or what ever you want but all I ask is that you do not publish any info I have given of finding I have made.

Andrew,

I totally understand your point here. But I also like the idea of the site growing and being built by the contributions of advanced T205 collectors like yourself. The site (and collectors looking to it for guidance) would benefit greatly with your input and contributions. It would be great to have articles written by you published on the site as well.

However, like I said, I understand your point about more research and development being put into it by the developer prior to going live with it.

Best,

AndyH


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[doug.goodman]

...So all of us give you info we have collected for yrs and we all have a bad a$$ well informed site made. So how do I get my cut when you start getting headline, banner, and other advertising profits? My time, my knowledge, my research will not be used for someone else's gain...

Wow, I'm glad that the various contributors to the Encyclopædia Britannica weren't of a similar mindset.

And, while Mr. Webster certainly deserves most of the credit for his dictionary, I'm glad for the help he surely got which may, or may not, have been credited somewhere in a section that I doubt anybody ever reads.

Doug

[Wite3]

Just for the record...I asked not to have my initials put on the board but Ron said other people wanted it. I prefer not to have them there.

Joshua

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Wite3

Just for the record...I asked not to have my initials put on the board but Ron said other people wanted it. I prefer not to have them there.

Joshua

I can remove your initials if you would like. It only takes a minute to do. As you know, this site is a work in progress and its everyones site to use. Its not what makes me happy but what makes the users and contributors happy.

[T205Guy]

Ron,

Thanks! I am sure that the site will be a hit and I will be glad to add whatever I can to help out...

Ed

[Runscott]

There wasn't a good, comprehensive T205 site on the web. Ron wanted to get one going. I get it. The T205 crowd is notorious for hiding their cards. Hearing them speak out now is at least hearing them speak.

I did something similar with billiards history over ten years ago, at a time when I didn't really know all that much, and I requested experts to contribute. Some did, some were offended - offended that they knew more than me but didn't have the initiative to gather their information and create a usable site. But, even mute, they were still afraid I would make money off information that they weren't able to. I didn't...either did they. We're all still broke

Everyone (except that little girl) likes more money. Greed is part of what makes America....America. Perhaps Ron is simply someone who love T205's and has no plans to advertise on his site - there are sites out there with no advertising that provide plenty of reward for their creators (none of my sites make a dime). But if he tries to make money and gives contributors credit (or a cut), I don't see the problem. You create your own reputation through your actions, as we've seen with other card websites.