New T205 Website with Master Checklist

[Wite3]

t205 vs. t206 seems to be a silly argument...t206 is collected far more widely and has been researched much more in depth. Why? Because if 10% of collectors really like the research side, then the 1000s of t206 collectors will have 100s of researchers whereas the 100s of t205 collectors will only have 10ish researchers.

By looking at board sales, that is just because the print runs were so much smaller. I would LOVE to see more p-f-g condition t205s come up for sale (and drive the price down!). That would be fine by me.

Of course, when is the last time we had a good Goudey or Diamond Star discussion? Strange how things work on the board. I remember there used to be tons of Goudey talk and little on t205s...then a ton of E-card talk, etc. It just comes and goes.

I shared info. for people I spoke to often enough. But the last time I turned over my research as a whole (albeit incomplete) it ended up in a magazine and I am fairly certain that person was compensated for it. Now I take the opposite view. If I now put it out there in public...no one can exploit it for profit and if they can find a way to make money with it, more power to them. The main reason I held on to some of my research, specifically certain back or variation research was not for profit but because I was(am) not done with it. I want a master list. Badly. Yes, I had knowledge of the Wilhelm a few years before it became known (as with the Matty Cycle, Graham sig). I wanted to make sure I knew which backs came with each before I let the public know. People beat me to the outing on the Matty and Graham but because of that I was able to say with certainty that it was only the Cycle back for Matty and got a better understanding of the Graham sigs. I also have had to fix some of my research as well (in fact, I questioned one of the findings on Ron's list and he immediately sent me a nice back scan of a Wheat I had not confirmed before...that was awesome for me!).

I put years of work into my research. I feel that it is important to me. If others find it important, useful, or just plain bizarre, that is also fine by me. I did it because I honestly love t205s.

Scott is great and I have bought several T205s from him. I respect him and I have met a few collectors who have held their info close to the vest like Scott has mentioned. That is their option. I am thankful for board members who have helped me over the years...I hope it continues.

Joshua

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Wite3

t205 vs. t206 seems to be a silly argument...t206 is collected far more widely and has been researched much more in depth. Why? Because if 10% of collectors really like the research side, then the 1000s of t206 collectors will have 100s of researchers whereas the 100s of t205 collectors will only have 10ish researchers.

By looking at board sales, that is just because the print runs were so much smaller. I would LOVE to see more p-f-g condition t205s come up for sale (and drive the price down!). That would be fine by me.

Of course, when is the last time we had a good Goudey or Diamond Star discussion? Strange how things work on the board. I remember there used to be tons of Goudey talk and little on t205s...then a ton of E-card talk, etc. It just comes and goes.

I shared info. for people I spoke to often enough. But the last time I turned over my research as a whole (albeit incomplete) it ended up in a magazine and I am fairly certain that person was compensated for it. Now I take the opposite view. If I now put it out there in public...no one can exploit it for profit and if they can find a way to make money with it, more power to them. The main reason I held on to some of my research, specifically certain back or variation research was not for profit but because I was(am) not done with it. I want a master list. Badly. Yes, I had knowledge of the Wilhelm a few years before it became known (as with the Matty Cycle, Graham sig). I wanted to make sure I knew which backs came with each before I let the public know. People beat me to the outing on the Matty and Graham but because of that I was able to say with certainty that it was only the Cycle back for Matty and got a better understanding of the Graham sigs. I also have had to fix some of my research as well (in fact, I questioned one of the findings on Ron's list and he immediately sent me a nice back scan of a Wheat I had not confirmed before...that was awesome for me!).

I put years of work into my research. I feel that it is important to me. If others find it important, useful, or just plain bizarre, that is also fine by me. I did it because I honestly love t205s.

Scott is great and I have bought several T205s from him. I respect him and I have met a few collectors who have held their info close to the vest like Scott has mentioned. That is their option. I am thankful for board members who have helped me over the years...I hope it continues.

Joshua

Joshua, very well stated (especially, "Scott is great") - I think most of us empathize and are in agreement with you (except for the part I quoted ).

You know me - I will stir the pot, but I am trying harder not to tump it over.

I can only echo what josh said. My largest issue was the lack of reaserch set forth and then wanting us to fill it in. That's not really the issue now that we have heard what this site is acctualy about. I will say I am willing to provide scans of my collection and knowledge to help out in this site. Ron if you would pm me your email I will get you many AB, pied 42, and cycle scans I have. If I have confirmed backs for your list they will be included also.

I know if I asked any of the 205 guys for their list to do a site it would have been a no brainier since we are working towards the same goal. It just made me very weary and hesitant to have a very new collector jump out here asking for this info without knowing the details about what it all is gonna be used for. I do hope you guys understand. It takes a lot of time and research to have the info we have. I am Hal we can now place it in a hobby useful place. Thank you Ron for the site and best wishes on it being completed.

[Matt E.]

First off Ed Hans is one of the very good guys in the hobby.

Honestly, I don't know if I have any information to contribute regarding T205 backs. I guess I could pull out the set and write down each back front combo. I have enjoyed learning the current findings spreadsheet, but it won't really change my buying habits.

I am more of a front guy and want to concentrate on the SGC Registry. I have had my share of blank backs - raw and graded, Hindu's and Drums etc... It was cool to own them for awhile but it never really got me going.

I like to think I am smart enough to pick out a Piedmont 42 from a stack of raw cards and buy it. However I prefer to concentrate on the variations, short prints and the hard to find cards.

Feel free to reference my website to see how I categorize T205's.

http://www.imageevent.com/babybingbaseball

When you are on the T205 page be sure to click at the top and look for these:

"Short Prints"
"Minor Leaguers"
"Variations"
"Tough to Find"

[Runscott]

Matt, I don't think anyone mentioned in this thread (or participating in it) is a "bad guy".

We're all 'good' - just having fun collecting and discussing cardboard - expressing opinions, which along with $1.45 will buy you a cup of coffee.

[Matt E.]

I don't drink coffee

[peterb69]

Josh, thanks for sharing your information. I also am a for most T205 collector although I collect all tobacco cards. I have been making a run at the T205 Herzog backs and for awhile I was stuck at just 10 different backs. With this new info, it appears I have all that there is. So I'll now have to pick another player and try to get a back run.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Matt E.

I don't drink coffee

It's okay - I drink enough for all of us.

[cdn_collector]

Three things...

1. Matt, that is a freaking incredible T205 set you have there. I think your gallery alone will inspire more people to attempt this set.

2. Ron, I don't own it, but I can confirm that George Gibson exists with the Honest Long Cut back.

3. I believe Montreal and Toronto are the only two Eastern League teams not included in the T205 minor league subset. For those of you that know T205s well, I would be curious in hear some theories as to why.


Regards,

Richard.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by cdn_collector

Three things...

1. Matt, that is a freaking incredible T205 set you have there. I think your gallery alone will inspire more people to attempt this set.

2. Ron, I don't own it, but I can confirm that George Gibson exists with the Honest Long Cut back.

3. I believe Montreal and Toronto are the only two Eastern League teams not included in the T205 minor league subset. For those of you that know T205s well, I would be curious in hear some theories as to why.


Regards,

Richard.

If I may hazard a guess, and I am by no means a T205 expert, I have about 10-15 of them and really only like the minor league cards. My guess would be that the set was never completed, just basing that on the fact it says "400 designs" on the back, so it is entirely possible they planned to make more and include the teams from America's hat in the next series.

Originally Posted by z28jd

If I may hazard a guess, and I am by no means a T205 expert, I have about 10-15 of them and really only like the minor league cards. My guess would be that the set was never completed, just basing that on the fact it says "400 designs" on the back, so it is entirely possible they planned to make more and include the teams from America's hat in the next series.

Call me crazy but I am theorizing that the t205 set was complete and adding in the other 2 gold boarder set from that era and owned by the same companies equals near 400 subjects. I posted this in a thread of Ted Z a while back when discussing the set. The numbers are to close to ignore and I don't think there was anything cut short on printing them.

[frohme]

Originally Posted by cdn_collector

Three things...

1. Matt, that is a freaking incredible T205 set you have there. I think your gallery alone will inspire more people to attempt this set.

2. Ron, I don't own it, but I can confirm that George Gibson exists with the Honest Long Cut back.

3. I believe Montreal and Toronto are the only two Eastern League teams not included in the T205 minor league subset. For those of you that know T205s well, I would be curious in hear some theories as to why.

Regards,

Richard.

Richard beat me to it, but *he's* the Gibson guy - I was merely a temporary caretaker of some of his cards .. .. Hi Richard!

here's an image - I've seen at least two different ones.



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Mike

[Ronnie73]

Thank you everyone with the checklist updates. I have made the changes and added names to the Credits page. Currently I'm working on the Gallery Master List. Its taking some time to do but will be well worth it. After I complete it, eveyone will see what cards I still need scans for. I will update everyone when thats complete. Thanks again for everyones support.

Ron

[cdn_collector]

Originally Posted by frohme

...here's an image - I've seen at least two different ones.

I knew that would bring you out of hiding for a bit...thanks for posting the scan. Hope all is well!

Regards,

Richard.