Marijuana laws- O/T

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

It depends on how you read it. And, I never said God gave us "grass" for our pleasure. So, I don't think I took anything out of context. "Seed bearing plant, seed bearing herb...." I guess everyone is free to determine what that means for themselves, right?

Sincerely, Clayton

I know you didn't say it, but the insinuation was there. I could keep going, but I don't come here to discuss dope, I come here for the awesome vintage baseball card discussion!

[19cbb]

Dazed and Confused...

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

I know you didn't say it, but the insinuation was there. I could keep going, but I don't come here to discuss dope, I come here for the awesome vintage baseball card discussion!

No problem I look at this conversation more about "freedom" and "liberty", and it's a good talking point- I could care less about dope. But, I'm all for the people having the freedom and liberty to do it, if that's what they want to do with themselves. Same way I feel about just about everything, as long as someone is not hurting someone else in the process.

Sincerely, Clayton

[barrysloate]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D44pyeEvhcQ

Cab Calloway, circa 1933. Enjoy!

[z28jd]

At least this is baseball card and topic related. Proof that Topps has a sense of humor. Brandon Puffer and Jung Bong on the same rookie card

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by z28jd

At least this is baseball card and topic related. Proof that Topps has a sense of humor. Brandon Puffer and Jung Bong on the same rookie card

If they were sunken into couches it would be perfect!

[packs]

Not to mention there are plenty of parents who don't want their kids smoking marijuana but have no problem having them take prescribed amphetamines (adderall) and don't mind taking synthetic heroin (oxycontin) when their back is bothering them. But these things have been prescribed by a doctor!

[barrysloate]

Legalizing marijuana is not likely to cause more people to smoke it, or for the people who do smoke it now to do so more frequently. It's currently available to anybody who wants to buy some. But it will take the criminal element out of owning a small amount of it. The prisons are filled with people who were caught with a small stash of pot. Making it legal has benefits and getting people out of prison is a humane act.

Anyone who doesn't smoke now won't start if it becomes legal. And it is not necessarily a gateway to harder drugs. There is a tremendous amount of misinformation out there and that is adding fuel to the controversy.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I would treat it exactly as alcohol -- legal, no sales to minors, illegal to drive under the influence, no TV ads. I am far more concerned about what I view as the extreme overprescription of certain medications.

[packs]

In 2011 the Huffington Post reported that the state of New York (1 of 50 states for those of you counting) spends 75 MILLION DOLLARS on marijuana arrests per year. That is paid directly by the state's residents. None of that money went to hospitals, healthcare, or education.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I would treat it exactly as alcohol -- legal, no sales to minors, illegal to drive under the influence, no TV ads. I am far more concerned about what I view as the extreme overprescription of certain medications.

Which is precisely why I posed the poll question the way I did. Great minds think alike, now if I just had one .

[glchen]

Originally Posted by packs

Not to mention there are plenty of parents who don't want their kids smoking marijuana but have no problem having them take prescribed amphetamines (adderall) and don't mind taking synthetic heroin (oxycontin) when their back is bothering them. But these things have been prescribed by a doctor!

The difference is that these are medically prescribed. I think most people are fine with medical marijuana also.

[packs]

My point was that both of those commonly accepted medications are far worse for your health than marijuana but they are accepted as being beneficial because a doctor said so. They are also illegal drugs in every other form. You are sort of being a hypocrite if you tell your kid not to smoke marijuana and then hand them amphetamine and pop your pain killer.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by glchen

The difference is that these are medically prescribed. I think most people are fine with medical marijuana also.

I think the main reason that they have to be prescribed is because of the side effects and damage to the body that can be caused if over-used or mixed with the wrong other prescriptions. Those need to be controlled and/or monitored. However, Marijuana aside from the general symptoms of use, really only have the same side effects/damages of smoking cig's(which is legal). I said it before, the pharmaceutical companies would be in a world of shit if pot were legalized, because people would much rather smoke pot than keep themselves hopped up on these more dangerous chemical creations..

[Fred]

I don't care if they legalize it.

I believe that the states need to have laws on the books prior to the legalization of pot that regulate the sale of it and also laws that provide stiff penalties to those that are caught driving while under the influence. The last thing I want is for some stoned idiot to kill me, my family or friends.

I believe that the laws for being under the influence (while driving) should be stiffer than those for alcohol. While on that topic, I think the laws for driving under the influence of alcohol should be stiffer than they are now.

If the laws are known well in advance of the legalization of pot then anybody caught driving stoned will know of the penalties well in advance of the legalization of pot.

[toledo_mudhen]

Having been a long time marijuana user back in the 70s - 80s I have the following observations :

1.) Smoking pot takes an inordinate amount of time and, while under the influence, promotes unproductivity (not sure thats a real word).

2.) Smoking pot is not necessarily a "gateway" drug - although it was in my case.

3.) Marijuana possession laws are, currently and previously, ridiculous and waste way too many resources for prosecution and incarceration.

4.) It is a sad commentary that the country has come to this - where marijuana taxation is becoming almost a necessity in order to salvage struggling state revenues and economies.

5.) Pot smoking is not addictive nor does it destroy brain functionality. However, the time I spent messing with it would have been better spent promoting my career - which was put on the back burner.

6.) Pot smokers, in my experience, do not want their younger children to know that they do it. They will, however, drink a beer in front of them.

7.) Legalization will do nothing to stop the constant stream of drugs coming across the border. Colorado has an approximately 33% tax on the product. Black market will always be more economical.

8.) When it is all said and done - there will be 49 states (or 57 in Mr Obama's case) that have legalized marijuana. Texas will not.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by packs

Not to mention there are plenty of parents who don't want their kids smoking marijuana but have no problem having them take prescribed amphetamines (adderall) and don't mind taking synthetic heroin (oxycontin) when their back is bothering them. But these things have been prescribed by a doctor!

As a person who takes prescribed "amphetamines" (Ritalin) I can say that you're way off base with that statement.

Without it I'm forgetful and very cranky. Like find a T206 in the couch forgetful. Ok, maybe just a few modern inserts but you get the idea.

And cranky like yelling at someone for a minor screwup or telling a grocery bagger that if the retarded guy does the job better than he does he should just hang it up because there won't be much he can do. (I was a bit more harsh than that)

Yeah, if you need it you need it. I don't take anything medical lightly, hardly any painkillers at all, over the counter stuff included. Hey, that pain is telling me I've done something I shouldn't. If I mask it with tylenol I'll be likely to do some real damage to myself.

Steve B

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Runscott

If they were sunken into couches it would be perfect!

Don't forget, it should be a food issue too. Maybe Doritos.

Please tell me it's card #420
(A reference I had to have explained to me about 4 years ago Making it newer than about 1984-5)

Steve B

[rainier2004]

Alright, you guys dont get the law. Substance use/abuse is NOT a protected class like gender, race, religion and an employer can hire/fire you for anything NOT protected. We have 2 local employers that test for cigarettes and fire those that test positive. If I am the employer, dont I have the right to hire who I want? As longer as substance use is not protected, they can always test for pot. Most employers test for pot b/c theyre insurance company requires it. I am not condoning this, but check the stats on people that use antidepressants versus those that dont in regards to overall insurance costs, days missed and other employer compensation. I could see a money counter excluding these "users" someday...legally they have the right. This class needs protection.

Second, there is a ton of revenue generated. Licensing fees to users and growers, fees for dispenceries and if it were fully legal there would be a helluva tax.

Third, the same choice thats given for alcohol and cigarettes should be allowed for pot. Alcohol affects several systems in your body, damage tends to be more permanent and we know about cigarettes. POT DOES NOT NEED TO BE SMOKED TO USED! The medical movement usually ingest orally and there are vaporizers that remove a large percentage of the junk. Pot lowers your WBC count...BFD for most people.

Last, whether I have or have not ever used is no ones business...just like my choice to do what I want as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. I could care less why someone may think its bad, immoral or should be illegal for religous or any other reason for the purpose of telling me how to lead my life. WHY DO YOU CARE WHAT I OR ANYONE ELSE DOES? I dont get it...homosexuality, pot, why would anyone care?