Helmar Boston Garter Cobb and others...

[insidethewrapper]

I could see many people buying these with the intent of reselling to novice collectors as vintage items. Why would they be listed on ebay in any catagory but modern ? That is also deceiving the public listing them in "pre-WWII" listings. I don't think they should be printed, that's my vote.

[Peter_Spaeth]

To me, a reprint by any other name is still a reprint, and manufactured scarcity doesn't do much for me either. But if people like them, that's great, everyone's mileage varies.

[insidethewrapper]

What has the maker of these cards have to say as to why they are listed in the "pre WWII" listings on eBay ? They are not "pre war " cards. This only misrepresents the product. Makes collectors think they are old. Bad for the hobby.

[HRBAKER]

I disagree, if I was the maker I would list them where the people who would most likely be interested in buying them browse, the prewar section. I see no intent to deceive.

I've bought a few, had absolutely no doubt they were new fantasy-type pieces and most likely would not have seen them initially if he listed them anywhere else.

[barrysloate]

I pretty much agree with Peter's assessment. Although I voted don't like, they really are kind of nice looking. But I don't like the manufactured scarcity angle. If you want to reprint something have a print run of 500 or so and sell them for say $19.95 each. That's the whole point of a reprint- to make what might otherwise be a very expensive piece affordable to anyone who wants one. To make a reprint and have it as scarce as some of the originals it copies seems kind of phony to me. But I have no problem with the artwork, there is a definite skill level there.

Edited to add they are technically not a reprint of any known card, but one of a familiar design.

[sirraffles]

I think that some people "get it" and others don't. Rather than rehash aspects covered in old threads, I'll leave it at that. Thank you, everyone, for weighing in. Every opinion has been valuable! Charles

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I pretty much agree with Peter's assessment. Although I voted don't like, they really are kind of nice looking. But I don't like the manufactured scarcity angle. If you want to reprint something have a print run of 500 or so and sell them for say $19.95 each. That's the whole point of a reprint- to make what might otherwise be a very expensive piece affordable to anyone who wants one. To make a reprint and have it as scarce as some of the originals it copies seems kind of phony to me. But I have no problem with the artwork, there is a definite skill level there.

Edited to add they are technically not a reprint of any known card, but one of a familiar design.

Barry I agree that they are nice looking and of high quality, but to me that's beside the point. Perhaps modern-produced might be a better term than reprint, but either way they are not of the period and therefore, in my opinion, no better than a reprint and in a way even more gimmicky. Pseudo-vintage, one might call it. Just my opinion and not looking to convince anyone. As Hal Lewis used to say, buy what you like, but this thread invited opinions.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Barry I agree that they are nice looking and of high quality, but to me that's beside the point. Perhaps modern-produced might be a better term than reprint, but either way they are not of the period and therefore, in my opinion, no better than a reprint and in a way even more gimmicky. Pseudo-vintage, one might call it. Just my opinion and not looking to convince anyone. As Hal Lewis used to say, buy what you like, but this thread invited opinions.

+1

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Edited to add they are technically not a reprint of any known card, but one of a familiar design.

Not true Barry. The '33 Lajoie is a reprint. I'm guessing there are others, but I don't really follow the Helmars that closely.

[sirraffles]

No, that Lajoie is not a reprint. It is from a painting that we did where the customer specifically asked for a painting of that card. Looks pretty good, eh?