HOF releases pre-Integration ballot today.

[prewarsports]

I really dont see a huge increase (long term) happening for any of these guys cards. White's Old Judge card was already so rare and valuable that it will go up, but it was pricey before. O'Day is a common OJ to find so it will go up, maybe double, but not a huge increase. As for autographs, O'Day and White were so scarce to begin with it really wasn't a possibility to get one and Ruppert is SO common I cant imagine his signature doing much, maybe a 20% increase. O'Day and White would sell for a ton, dont get me wrong, but its not like any one of us could have gone out and purchased these on the open market. I have what believe to be an O'Day signature, but in 20+ years I have only seen one other on Jodi's baseball that sold in Guttierez auction about 7 years ago. I know of ONE Deacon White and its worth 100k probably, but its locked up tight in a collection anyways.

All in all, its a pretty anti-climactic end to an exciting group of possibilities in my opinion.

Rhys

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

I really dont see a huge increase (long term) happening for any of these guys cards. White's Old Judge card was already so rare and valuable that it will go up, but it was pricey before. O'Day is a common OJ to find so it will go up, maybe double, but not a huge increase. As for autographs, O'Day and White were so scarce to begin with it really wasn't a possibility to get one and Ruppert is SO common I cant imagine his signature doing much, maybe a 20% increase. O'Day and White would sell for a ton, dont get me wrong, but its not like any one of us could have gone out and purchased these on the open market. I have what believe to be an O'Day signature, but in 20+ years I have only seen one other on Jodi's baseball that sold in Guttierez auction about 7 years ago. I know of ONE Deacon White and its worth 100k probably, but its locked up tight in a collection anyways.

All in all, its a pretty anti-climactic end to an exciting group of possibilities in my opinion.

Rhys

I think the Scrapps Deacon White will see a pretty good jump in price, because that is what the "average" HOF collector will have the best chance at getting, which will lead to some bidding wars for a while. An OJ Deacon White is going to be a very pricy card if one ever gets on the market.

[Matthew H]

I'm with Rhys and Chris. The N284 would be White's true rookie card anyway since White was introduced to the Old Judge set in 1888.

O'Day is super common. I haven't been collecting OJs that long but in that time I've seen plenty of his cards for sale.

BTW John, I'm rooting for you man! I hope someone trades you their Deacon White OJ for your O'Day!

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

I'm with Rhys and Chris. The N284 would be White's true rookie card anyway since White was introduced to the Old Judge set in 1888.

O'Day is super common. I haven't been collecting OJs that long but in that time I've seen plenty of his cards for sale.

BTW John, I'm rooting for you man! I hope someone trades you their Deacon White OJ for your O'Day!

While that would be nice Matt, I won't hold my breath. I do have plenty of other cards to trade though, so who knows. My poor Pittsburgh team set, just one player away from being complete...

[oldjudge]

My choices would be O'Day and Deacon White. I think Deacon White should be a no brainer, but who knows how these knuckleheads will vote.

Great call Jay LOL

[oldjudge]

BTW Matt. O'Day was readily available when no one was really looking for him. Now every HOF collector will want his Old Judge card. In no time demand will swamp supply and O'Day prices will move up strongly. Will they move to McPhee levels--no. McPhee is a scarcer card. They will eventually settle at Keefe/Clarkson/Ward type levels, but in the near term they will exceed these.

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

BTW Matt. O'Day was readily available when no one was really looking for him. Now every HOF collector will want his Old Judge card. In no time demand will swamp supply and O'Day prices will move up strongly. Will they move to McPhee levels--no. McPhee is a scarcer card. They will eventually settle at Keefe/Clarkson/Ward type levels, but in the near term they will exceed these.

Jay - where would you rank Deacon White OJ cards in terms of scarcity when compared to other HOFers in the set - top 3 of the most difficult?

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

BTW Matt. O'Day was readily available when no one was really looking for him. Now every HOF collector will want his Old Judge card. In no time demand will swamp supply and O'Day prices will move up strongly. Will they move to McPhee levels--no. McPhee is a scarcer card. They will eventually settle at Keefe/Clarkson/Ward type levels, but in the near term they will exceed these.

Hi Jay, how are you doing?

Speaking of O'Day and his pre-HOF demand, there was a nice example sitting on ebay for 275 a few months ago,,, and it did sit for quite some time. I just thought I'd throw that out there for all the HOF collectors

[z28jd]

I agree that long-term they won't have a huge increase, but short-term the first ones to auction will do strong numbers because you have people trying to fill new holes in collections. McPhee cards went for more right after he got elected than they do now, so even he leveled out. There are plenty of HOF'ers in the set more common than O'Day so I think the first few cards will be 3-4x the price, then they will level out to regular HOF prices for the set.

White cards already did go for more and from someone trying to get one for years to complete my Pirates set, he is very hard to find. If I could give anyone financial advice, if you're not married to the idea of owning a Deacon White card, put it up for auction before someone else does and watch the price. I can guarantee that while I'll bid a lot, it won't be me winning it at the price it will end at.

[novakjr]

Rookie card wise, O'day and White are already pretty much out of my reach..

Collectible-wise I do have White on the 1874 Harper's weekly Boston woodcut(edit: I have the 1902 reprinted issue)..and a guide page(I believe from the 20's) of the 1869 Forest City Blues.

I'm not sure if O'day was on any of the woodcuts..

Now, I'm trying to figure out what Ruppert's RC would technically be.. I know there's the 1962 Topps Ruth card that has him on it..And a card with him in 1948 Swell Babe Ruth movie set could lead to some confusion. He is mentioned by name on it, but the photo is of the actor playing him in the film.. I don't know if there is anything earlier or else of him though.

Anyone have any more info, or thoughts?