HOF releases pre-Integration ballot today.

[Joe_G.]

Great thread.

I believe O'Day will be most like Ned Hanlon who was also a relatively new HOF inductee (1996). Both have three poses with most of them being of the fairly common 1887 variety. They were also both elected for their accomplishments outside of being a player (Hanlon as Manager, O'Day as umpire). In the case of Hanlon, his prices were quite elevated for awhile but have dropped down to mid-level HOFer. I expect the same for O'Day.

As for Deacon White, I expect him to be the most expensive HOFer from here on out. While his total population might be about the same as McPhee & Robinson, the most advanced collectors who enjoy growing their collection pose-by-pose will bid aggressively on a White pose they need. These pose collectors completed their McPhee & Robinson collections at 5 poses apiece while Deacon White will keep them going longer to fill the 8 available poses (not counting McCreachery) which means fewer copies for the rest of us. Heck, in the past decade, I've only seen 5 of Deacon's 9 N172 poses hit the market and they were often buried in large lots. I suspect each and every pose that surfaces will be highly contested. For those who place some value on the population reports, Robinson & McPhee were the rarest with only 12 & 18 graded examples respectively. Deacon White currently sits at 7. (citing SGC pop report). I do hope that Deacon White cards come out of the wood work as I'm eager to add to my run and will try to hang with the big boys.

As for Deacon White's true rookie card, I'll propose his 1886 Tomlinson cabinets for your consideration. I've documented 5 Tomlinsons in total, 4 of the batting pose variety and a single portrait.

[cyseymour]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

Great thread..

As for Deacon White, I expect him to be the most expensive HOFer from here on out. While his total population might be about the same as McPhee & Robinson, the most advanced collectors who enjoy growing their collection pose-by-pose will bid aggressively on a White pose they need. These pose collectors completed their McPhee & Robinson collections at 5 poses apiece while Deacon White will keep them going longer to fill the 8 available poses (not counting McCreachery) which means fewer copies for the rest of us. Heck, in the past decade, I've only seen 5 of Deacon's 9 N172 poses hit the market and they were often buried in large lots. I suspect each and every pose that surfaces will be highly contested. For those who place some value on the population reports, Robinson & McPhee were the rarest with only 12 & 18 graded examples respectively. Deacon White currently sits at 7. (citing SGC pop report). I do hope that Deacon White cards come out of the wood work as I'm eager to add to my run and will try to hang with the big boys.

Joe G.,

This is a great point about the number of White poses, but while there may be three extra poses to increase demand, I'm not sure it will be enough to surpass Delahanty, because White is still just a borderline HOFer. But it could put him on par with Wright/Anson.

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by cyseymour

Joe G.,

This is a great point about the number of White poses, but while there may be three extra poses to increase demand, I'm not sure it will be enough to surpass Delahanty, because White is still just a borderline HOFer. But it could put him on par with Wright/Anson.

". . . borderline HOFer . . ."??, I think not. Deacon's enshrinement was long overdue. His career should now receive more attention and help place him in the proper pecking order which will be well ahead of many other HOFers. I will be the first to pay Delahanty prices for any pose that may be available. For many years, his prices were already higher than most N172 HOFers (albeit, most HOFers are fairly common).

[cyseymour]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

". . . borderline HOFer . . ."??, I think not. Deacon's enshrinement was long overdue. His career should now receive more attention and help place him in the proper pecking order which will be well ahead of many other HOFers. I will be the first to pay Delahanty prices for any pose that may be available. For many years, his prices were already higher than most N172 HOFers (albeit, most HOFers are fairly common).

Hmmm... okay, you're right, after reading up on him, it turns out he did put up some very good numbers. I've googled his cards for search results and found nothing, so I'm not sure what it sells for. I guess we'll have to wait until spring for some to come up to auction, and then we'll know more.

Jay does make the point that since the McCreachery pose is unique, advanced collectors may not choose to go for a run of every pose. So let's wait till spring and then we'll certainly have a much better idea of what they are worth!