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12-05-2012, 09:05 PM
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Interesting, but a lot of odd inconsistencies in the stories. If Johnson said that "Home Run" Johnson played for the Lincoln Giants and hit a home run off of him, that I believe he did. But I'm not as confident that Shirley Povich got his story straight.
Also, I didn't see any mention of Wayne Stivers or SABR, and if anyone could verify the box score it would be Wayne or SABR.
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12-05-2012, 09:12 PM
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Wayne is a great guy. I met him when I lived in CO for a couple years. He is definitely a go to guy when it comes to Negro League items and history.
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12-05-2012, 09:30 PM
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Thanks for posting Danny. That's some great stuff. My favorite part is when Walter is pitching as a ringer for a New York fire department team called the Fire Eaters and he loses to an obscure Negro League pitcher named "Gunboat" Thompson, 2-0. "Gunboat" actually has a page at baseballreference.com, but very little is unknown about him. If ever somebody deserved his 15 minutes of fame ...
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12-05-2012, 10:26 PM
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thanks for posting
I dont live too far from Harlem and I think come Spring I'll go check out what's standing where those old ballparks those used to be.
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12-06-2012, 05:31 PM
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Among the seven games I came across in the research for my biography of Walter Johnson in which he pitched against black teams are the two mentioned against the Lincoln Giants in 1911 and the Lincoln Stars in 1914. He also pitched against the Mohawk Giants in 1913, and in those three games he did pitch against three of the best black pitchers of the era: Gunboat Thompson, Dick McClelland, and Frank Wickware. And that was indeed Honus Wagner at shortstop for the "All-Leaguers" vs the Lincoln Giants who had Pop Lloyd playing there for them. Wagner and Lloyd in the same game, it actually happened! I am of the firm belief, however, that Johnson and Smokey Joe Williams never pitched against each other, and that the story of their supposed matchup is a conflation of Johnson's 1-0 loss to Wickware and the Mohawk Giants on October 5, 1913, and Williams's 1-0 victory over Grover Cleveland Alexander the same day.
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