O/T feel sick inside - CT Elementary shooting

murcerfan · #1 12-15-2012, 05:01 PM

600 dollars of federal tax on each bullet.

Own all the guns you want.

...and Dorskind has another really bright idea with the concept of banning illegal drugs.

Vintageismygame · #2 12-16-2012, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by murcerfan

600 dollars of federal tax on each bullet.

Own all the guns you want.

...and Dorskind has another really bright idea with the concept of banning illegal drugs.

Your $600 tax idea on each bullet would be struck down by any court as it is an excessive tax. Now, I could see an additional 15% tax per box of ammo but any suggestion such as a $ amount per round tax would go nowhere in Congress.

kcohen · #3 12-16-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintageismygame

Your $600 tax idea on each bullet would be struck down by any court as it is an excessive tax. Now, I could see an additional 15% tax per box of ammo but any suggestion such as a $ amount per round tax would go nowhere in Congress.

But it made for a hilarious Chris Rock stand-up comedy bit.

Canoeswamp · #4 12-17-2012, 03:12 PM

Stop and consider the following facts from various federal databases. Deaths per year from: tobacco use � 529,000; medical errors � 195,000; alcohol abuse � 1007, 400; firearm homicides � 11,493. Where is the mindless cry for the elimination of tobacco, alcohol, or hospitals?

The problem is not weapon based. The problem is human based. We live in a culture that does not value human life.

vintagetoppsguy · #5 12-17-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Canoeswamp

The problem is human based. We live in a culture that does not value human life.

+1

We live in a world that desensatizes killing - almost glorifies it like it's no big deal. You watch it movies, see it in video games and hear it in music.

Even if the assault rifle ban were re-enacted, do you really believe it would stop events like this? I don't.

barrysloate · #6 12-17-2012, 04:16 PM

If the assault rifle ban were reinstated, some incidents would be stopped. Even if only one were thwarted it could save the life of somebody's loved one.

And make no mistake about it: if you think the gun laws should remain exactly as they are, you are now officially in the minority. The majority wants this issue to be addressed now, and whether gun lovers agree or disagree with possible new laws will not matter. There are going to be changes, it's only a matter of when and what they will be. The days of keeping the status quo will soon end.

conor912 · #7 12-17-2012, 04:20 PM

How about this for an argument?

You want to know why there are more and more shootings? It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single victim of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news.

vintagetoppsguy · #8 12-17-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

If the assault rifle ban were reinstated, some incidents would be stopped.

Barry,

I respectfully disagree. I believe these sickos would just find a hand gun, shotgun or other type of rifle (lever action, bolt action, etc) instead. I believe they're choosing assault rifles only because of their magazine capacity - to inflict as much damage as possible. An assault rifle ban would probably limit the amount of casualties, but would not stop the frequency of these types of events. No way! They'll find other types of guns.

Besides, from my understanding (and someone can correct me if I am wrong), an assault rifle ban (as the last one) does not mean gun owners have to "give up" their assault rifles. It only stops future transactions. The ban does not make it illegal to own an assault rifle, it only makes it illegal to barter one - buy, sell or trade. In other words, an assault rifle ban will not get existing assault rifles off the streets.

Gecklund311 · #9 12-17-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Canoeswamp

Stop and consider the following facts from various federal databases. Deaths per year from: tobacco use � 529,000; medical errors � 195,000; alcohol abuse � 1007, 400; firearm homicides � 11,493. Where is the mindless cry for the elimination of tobacco, alcohol, or hospitals?

The problem is not weapon based. The problem is human based. We live in a culture that does not value human life.

There's a huge difference between harming yourself and actively harming others - nobody can take a Marlboro Red and shoot up a school with it.

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