O/T feel sick inside - CT Elementary shooting

novakjr · #1 12-18-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

I'm not sure that very many principals would want to take the enormous responsibility of carrying a gun and being expected to use it in a crisis. And while in a perfect world the prinicipal might kill the bad guy before he hurt any children, so many things could go terribly wrong. The principal could aim the gun at the bad guy and miss, hitting and killing a student instead. Not a really great plan IMO.

Exactly, why a non-lethal stun gun system could be implemented. It would also hopefully keep these people alive, so that more insight can be had into what exactly was going on in their heads. That knowledge alone could potentially lead to preventing these type of things. Instead we're stuck with dead bodies, and simple guesses as to motive.

Runscott · #2 12-18-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by novakjr

Exactly, why a non-lethal stun gun system could be implemented. It would also hopefully keep these people alive, so that more insight can be had into what exactly was going on in their heads. That knowledge alone could potentially lead to preventing these type of things. Instead we're stuck with dead bodies, and simple guesses as to motive.

We still have the Aurora and Arizona killers, and there is one here in Washington who recently was moved from Western State to prison. All still alive, all probably able to give their reasoning for the murders they committed. But I don't think you would be able to figure out much - the 'manic state' is a different reality and they either remember very little, remember things incorrectly, or realize that what they did made no sense.

Emotional, 'sane' killers are a different thing, but they generally do commit suicide - distraught fathers, screwed-over office-workers, etc.

novakjr · #3 12-18-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

We still have the Aurora and Arizona killers, and there is one here in Washington who recently was moved from Western State to prison. All still alive, all probably able to give their reasoning for the murders they committed. But I don't think you would be able to figure out much - the 'manic state' is a different reality and they either remember very little, remember things incorrectly, or realize that what they did made no sense.

Emotional, 'sane' killers are a different thing, but they generally do commit suicide - distraught fathers, screwed-over office-workers, etc.

If their ultimate goal is to commit suicide, then wouldn't the strong possibility of being disabled and apprehended using a stun gun, be more of a deterent.

Runscott · #4 12-18-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by novakjr

If their ultimate goal is to commit suicide, then wouldn't the strong possibility of being disabled and apprehended using a stun gun, be more of a deterent.

I disagree with your hypothetical, but my answer in such a scenario would be 'no'.

novakjr · #5 12-18-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

I disagree with your hypothetical, but my answer in such a scenario would be 'no'.

I'll have to start by stating that I don't believe this is always the case. But sometimes.....Now if someone's goal is to ultimately kill themselves, but also become famous in doing so. You're telling me, that if there's a good chance that they'll be apprehended before being able to kill themselves, that they'd still do it anyways?

Runscott · #6 12-18-2012, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by novakjr

I'll have to start by stating that I don't believe this is always the case. But sometimes.....Now if someone's goal is to ultimately kill themselves, but also become famous in doing so. You're telling me, that if there's a good chance that they'll be apprehended before being able to kill themselves, that they'd still do it anyways?

No offense, but that wasn't what you previously asked, and you just put an awful lot of words in my mouth that I didn't say.

Also, I really have no idea what a stun gun is, does, or how effective it would be in deterring anything - I've never given it any thought. My original response was simply to give you examples of mentally ill killers who are still alive and could be questioned, and the type of thinking you might encounter if you tried to do so.

I respectfully need to bow out of re-joining the 'guns or not in the school' debate. I've already stated my thoughts in detail.

novakjr · #7 12-18-2012, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

No offense, but that wasn't what you previously asked, and you just put an awful lot of words in my mouth that I didn't say.

Also, I really have no idea what a stun gun is, does, or how effective it would be in deterring anything - I've never given it any thought. My original response was simply to give you examples of mentally ill killers who are still alive and could be questioned, and the type of thinking you might encounter if you tried to do so.

I respectfully need to bow out of re-joining the 'guns or not in the school' debate. I've already stated my thoughts in detail.

It's exactly what I previously asked. We were both obviously on different pages though. It's happens. My comment was specifically geared towards those who ultimately wanted to kill themselves, and not toward the "just make as big a mess as possible" people.. Those people will still be out there, but stun-guns could help reduce the carnage.

kmac32 · #8 12-18-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

We still have the Aurora and Arizona killers, and there is one here in Washington who recently was moved from Western State to prison. All still alive, all probably able to give their reasoning for the murders they committed. But I don't think you would be able to figure out much - the 'manic state' is a different reality and they either remember very little, remember things incorrectly, or realize that what they did made no sense.

Emotional, 'sane' killers are a different thing, but they generally do commit suicide - distraught fathers, screwed-over office-workers, etc.

The idiot that shot congresswoman Giffords would not have passed a mentle health background check. The problem in Arizona is that guns have invaded every level of society and there is little checking done. I remember working at an animal hospital in Tucson and 2 Saturdays in a row we had men in their mid 70's show up with hand guns strapped to their sides. Why do people feel the need to bring a handgun into a veterinary hospital other than the reason "because I have it and can do it"? Arizona still thinks the Wild West is still alive and nobody can take their guns away. Glad I do not live there any more
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