PSA/DNA and boxing just don't mix.

[Mr. Zipper]

I typically ignore you simply because you have proven time and time again to be someone beyond reasoning and frankly not worth my time. But I stepped forward this time to defend the good work EMRs do because I couldn't sit back and watch you spread your warped misinformation about a program and people you know little about.

How do you know this was not reported by an EMR? Perhaps it was. An EMR report does not mean an item will be unquestionably removed.

I don't know eBay policy regarding their approved authenticators. But if eBay policy is to not remove items certed by their approved authenticators, your problem is with that policy, not the EMRs who may very well be reporting it.

Of course, next you'll propose that EMRs should all quit because the system is not perfect. In your world, quitting and letting thousands of fakes pass is the right thing to do to prove a point.

This thread is the perfect example why EMR identities are kept confidential. Why would people who volunteer hours of their time and freely offer their expertise want to deal with cretinous attacks from unbalanced misanthropes?

[travrosty]

thanks for the compliment, i know these "authenticated" listings weren't reported by an emr because an emr asked me for the listings, i gave it to him, and then he told me he didnt report it, OK?

lets catch 1000's of fakes, but let the psa and jsa fakes get a pass. sounds like a plan to me. some fakes are more equal than others. if a restaurant didn't admit some people because of affiliation, would you walk right in, or demand they serve everyone fairly and equally? You could make the argument that some people still get to eat, and that's better than none, why waste all that food just because a few are turned away unfairly.

i stand on principle. they shouldn't help ebay if ebay isnt going to do the right thing and pull ALL fakes. Why are you defending some of the fakes? because they have psa and jsa certs? if they had GA and ACE certs, would you think it was okay if they were the protected ones? I think not.

i know of 7 people who are emr's. some are psa and jsa defenders like you, who authenticates for jsa.

from one unbalanced misanthrope to another, let's not pretend you didn't have the same opinion I do about the whole authentication shell game. from Baron's "Kinda Sorta Genuine."

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THE RECENT ARTICLES IN THE TWO collectors' magazines have only added to the questions about the company. The bi-monthly Pen and Quill, put out by the oldest autograph collectors' club in the world, has published what amounts to a five-page indictment of PSA/DNA's authentication process, entitled "Who's Watching the Watchmen." "It has become apparent that PSA/DNA has some weakness in authenticating autographs outside the sports field -- as well as some glaring oversights from within the sports area," writes author Steve Zarelli, a member of the collectors club. "It's not uncommon to see a PSA/DNA [expert] 'authenticating' an autograph that is certainly not authentic." The Bottom Line: The stock, which has fallen 26% from its 52-week high, could drop another 25% amid questions of credibility, the loss of a big coin customer and high costs in a diamond business.Zarelli told of a collector who successfully bid for a game-used bat belonging to Ernie Banks, complete with a certificate of authentication from PSA/DNA. "What autograph?" Zarelli writes, "The bat isn't signed by anyone." Similarly, a "signed" Mark McGwire baseball card, authenticated and graded by PSA/DNA, turned out to be a rubber-stamped signature rather than hand-written, he writes.


OOOOOOOOOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by travrosty

thanks for the compliment, i know it wasnt reported by an emr because an emr asked me for the listing, i gave it to them, and then they told me they didnt report it, OK?

There are many EMRs. Because the one you sent it to didn't report it doesn't mean none of the others did. What are you failing to grasp?

My participation in this thread was to defend the EMRs -- volunteers who you have sickeningly attacked and smeared. People who donate their time and expertise to take more forgeries out of circulation in one week then you will in your lifetime.

You keep dredging up an article I wrote over 7 years ago. Yes, I was critical of PSA then. They are not perfect now and obviously have areas in need of improvement. But I don't choose to bash them publicly ad nauseum. I don't see them as the biggest problem in the hobby. By the way, I have provided feedback to them and guess what? They were willing to listen. Decency and professionalism get results.

Perhaps you should look at modifying your tactics. The turd-in-the-punch-bowl approach ain't working.

[travrosty]

they certain do not listen, we all know that. I didn't put the turd in the punchbowl, i am just letting people know it is there and not to drink. you are taking a big drink and saying it is delightful.

I am not smearing emr's. Since they are anonymous, they can't be smeared. I am just saying they should stand up for what is right and not help ebay unless ebay wants to pull ALL the fakes.



1. How many psa and jsa fakes have you ever reported to ebay?

2. How many of those did they pull?

3. give me examples of how psa listened and how they took your concerns and made a change for the better?

[Mr. Zipper]

LOL

I'm not playing your foolish game. I never claimed to be an EMR. But, I have good friends who are and they do more to protect the hobby than all of your attacks ever will. I am grateful there are generous collectors and dealers who donate their time and knowledge to a program that significantly reduces the junk entering the market.

Have a Merry Christmas, Travis. My sense is you need some inner peace in your life.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

LOL

I'm not playing your foolish game. I never claimed to be an EMR. But, I have good friends who are and they do more to protect the hobby than all of your attacks ever will. I am grateful there are generous collectors and dealers who donate their time and knowledge to a program that significantly reduces the junk entering the market.

Have a Merry Christmas, Travis. My sense is you need some inner peace in your life.

i see you say you never claimed to be an emr, but you didnt say you are not one either. nice try. they do a lot to protect psa and jsa, that i agree.

we got heritage to stop lying and stop saying that jsa had given auction loa's to live items up for auction when jsa hadnt seem them yet. i didnt see you or your buddies protecting the hobby by joining us to get this egregious practice stopped. it cost us our bidding accounts at heritage, but glad you found a pair and joined us to protect the hobby, NOT!

you want me to believe that if you see a forgery on ebay, you have no one to email or call to let ebay know. i refuse to believe that. i asked how many psa or jsa certed fake items you reported, and how many they removed, that was too hot of a potato for you to answer, since if you admit you reported a jsa item, jsa might not like it?

so i assume the answer to my question is zero and zero.

i will answer any question you have, why are you avoiding straight forward questions? have something to hide?

[Mr. Zipper]

Hi all

Just for the record, the previous post has a number of bad assumptions and total inaccuracies. But, I will not rebut them point by point. I've learned my lesson that you can't have a rational discussion with the irrational and will go back into ignore mode with Mr. Roste.

Have a happy holiday and healthy 2013.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

There are many EMRs. Because the one you sent it to didn't report it doesn't mean none of the others did. What are you failing to grasp?

My participation in this thread was to defend the EMRs -- volunteers who you have sickeningly attacked and smeared. People who donate their time and expertise to take more forgeries out of circulation in one week then you will in your lifetime.

You keep dredging up an article I wrote over 7 years ago. Yes, I was critical of PSA then. They are not perfect now and obviously have areas in need of improvement. But I don't choose to bash them publicly ad nauseum. I don't see them as the biggest problem in the hobby. By the way, I have provided feedback to them and guess what? They were willing to listen. Decency and professionalism get results.

Perhaps you should look at modifying your tactics. The turd-in-the-punch-bowl approach ain't working.

+100 Thanks Steve. Right on the money.

[RichardSimon]

One member of the EMR team can get JSA and PSA items removed. He has in the past but I am not so sure how active he is now.

[toybulldog]

EMR, that's a new one to me. I'd hardly call what Travis does "bashing". The word bashing makes it sound one-sided like PSA, JSA, EMR's are all defenseless which they are not. Each and everyone one can come on here to discuss comments made or to discuss their non-evidence based opinions but they choose not to. I wonder why? TPA's give their opinions on other peoples autographs on a daily basis, what goes around comes around only we do it with evidence and will continue to do so. I've never seen Travis "authenticate" a $25,000 item when there is indubitable evidence to the contrary and I don't see him pretending to be something he is not just to make a buck.

"Fraud, favortism, conscience for sale"
would make a good company motto for some?

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by toybulldog

EMR, that's a new one to me. I'd hardly call what Travis does "bashing". The word bashing makes it sound one-sided like PSA, JSA, EMR's are all defenseless which they are not. Each and everyone one can come on here to discuss comments made or to discuss their non-evidence based opinions but they choose not to. I wonder why? TPA's give their opinions on other peoples autographs on a daily basis, what goes around comes around only we do it with evidence and will continue to do so. I've never seen Travis "authenticate" a $25,000 item when there is indubitable evidence to the contrary and I don't see him pretending to be something he is not just to make a buck.

"Fraud, favortism, conscience for sale"
would make a good company motto for some?

i also do not see where presenting proof with exemplars is known as "bashing"

the tpa's never show up to explain their "opinions" I never made a dime but those raking it in dont seem to want or be able to explain how they make such crazy mistakes.

i never authenticated 25,000 dollar mistake and then sweep them under the rug. I gave a 75 dollar refund once on a boxing autograph I sold that I trusted the seller that I bought from. I learned my lesson and I don't go on blind trust, and I wish the tpa's would learn the same lesson, but it has taken them more than one $75 dollar mistake.

they make numerous crazy mistakes involving thousands and thousands of dollars and we can't figure out a way that they are making these mistakes with exemplars. We can only surmise they are not using exemplars or using people to authenticate who are grossly unqualified to authenticate boxing.

Of course all of this is my fault for pointing it out.

[Big Dave]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

I don't know eBay policy regarding their approved authenticators. But if eBay policy is to not remove items certed by their approved authenticators,

GAI is / was on their approved authenticator list, yet they have no problem pulling those, fake or not.