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[Wite3]

The moveable type might have been easy to switch but the front part, most likely not. Someone with more experience on printing than I would know better.

I do not think he was just talking about pop reports or grading companies. But even if we were...flaws and all, more Millers have been graded than Grants...do you really think that people hoarding them would not have them graded to maximize their "investment"?

The traditional SPs in the set are there because the numbers bear out the rarities of these cards. You essentially ignored my points about collections, hobby publications, historical sales, auctions, etc.

And, if you really want to belabor the point...I have 13 Doyles I will sell you at Suggs prices right now.

Joshua

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[Wite3]

Now I am really confused...super prints? Never really heard of that with T205s...If you want to use SP, most of use think of that as single print=rare.

Suggs is tough. You cannot just go by pop reports.

I also think you just managed to insult many collectors. I consider myself a smart collector and often make my collection public. Leon, Pat, Bill, and many many others who have historically had top tier and rare collections often make them available for others to see. I know there are some that have held them back (Keith!) but for the most part, over the past few decades, most of us are pretty up front.

Your posts are confusing...granted, I might be sick and just not understanding but from the two or three emails and PMs I have gotten in the last hour I am not alone in my confusion.

I still maintain that it is impossible to know print runs and to determine scarcity on advertising backs is nearly impossible. Determining the matrix of the cards on the sheets is just as tough. I am not trying to be difficult, I just want to understand.

Joshua

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[HercDriver]

Just settle it...Andrew can send Joshua a Suggs, and Joshua can send Andrew a Doyle. If that's not fair based on what I've read, then I guess I'm not reading it right...

Take Care,
Geno

[obcmac]

I'm typing on a phone, so I can't be as thorough as I'd like, but how about we start out with what we know, rather than debate explanations.

1. Some cards appear in lower quantities
2. The group of 12 minor leaguers appear to be in this group.
3. Another grouping of cards appear to be a bit tougher than the minor leaguers. Traditionally these are called sps, though the exact composition of the group is up in the air.

Observations
1. If you add the populations is the PSA report...the minor leaguers plus the totals generally associated with sps, you get the population totals similar to a large group of the most common cards.

2. We know joss passed away before printing, and according to josh, minor league team appearance indicates, mls appear late in the print run. This also suggests possible insertion of ml'ers.

Speculations
1. The ml'ers replacing the sps is one explanation of the reason that adding the two groups together produces the total observed in the common commons.
2. The population of ml'ers also appears to be similar to a grouping of less common commons...indicating they might be in the same print run.


Wild speculations
Two print runs...a big run and a little run
Big run...big run is divided with ml'ers replacing sps. Little run included the tough commons and tougher cards including Walsh and joss. All alternate views were also included (one ears, partial b, and both fords for example)

Alternative wild speculation...t207s have 3 pretty distinct classes, easy recruit, tough recruit, and broadleaf class. Maybe t205s follow the same pattern.

I know josh is a dedicated t205 expert...and Andrew has researched this a lot too. I'd love to hear more observation, then some theories that explain them.

Mac