OT: No One Elected to the Hall?

insidethewrapper · #1 01-09-2013, 01:26 PM

I think the best of each era should get in. The best 1% of each era. You can't compare 19th Century players with current players or Deadball era vs live ball era.
The ballpark you play in is also a "big" factor. Jack Morris in Tiger Stadium, Babe Ruth or any left hand hitting Yankee at the short right field fence. I think under 300 feet ! Even now Granderson hitting over 40 in New York.

How about players with "Tommy John Surgery ". Do they have an unfair advantage over players without the surgery ? Will they be banned in the future ? After the surgery, many are much better pitchers and throw with greater velocity because they physically changed their body.

autograf · #2 01-09-2013, 01:28 PM

Guess 3000 hit's isn't the first ballot barometer......or are there questions about Biggio and PED's? Surprised at the low number for all the PED guys. Gonna be a long time (if ever) for them...........

insidethewrapper · #3 01-09-2013, 01:29 PM

The sign in Cooperstown states :" The Birthplace of Baseball ". We know that is a lie. Also Abner Doubleday is not the inventor of baseball. another lie which Cooperstown is based. So you can lie, but not gamble or take steroids. I think that is interesting.

EvilKing00 · #4 01-09-2013, 01:31 PM

I think that there should be a "new HOF" run by someone else who understands baseball and how history needs to be written.

Piratedogcardshows · #5 01-09-2013, 01:32 PM

Clemens and Schilling get more votes than Bonds?He will never get in.

Touch'EmAll · #6 01-09-2013, 01:38 PM

This day was needed to help send a message to all of America's youth and currently pro athletes - "Don't do it, its not right, and it will not be tolerated."

Had Clemens and Bonds got in, it would have sent a terribly wrong message to all our kids of today.

Now that the message has been sent, perhaps they will get into the Hall in another year. We'll see.

p.s. I will always toot my horn for Roger Maris and Bo Jackson - I can give many reasons they should be in the Hall. Fewer reasons they should not.

HOF Auto Rookies · #7 01-09-2013, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 100backstroke

This day was needed to help send a message to all of America's youth and currently pro athletes - "Don't do it, its not right, and it will not be tolerated."

Had Clemens and Bonds got in, it would have sent a terribly wrong message to all our kids of today.

Now that the message has been sent, perhaps they will get into the Hall in another year. We'll see.

p.s. I will always toot my horn for Roger Maris and Bo Jackson - I can give many reasons they should be in the Hall. Fewer reasons they should not.

It also sent a message saying that the best players aren't good enough to get in. How does a 3k hitter not get in for example...Hall is a joke. They need to change the balloting system.

bcbgcbrcb · #8 01-09-2013, 02:19 PM

Am I the only one that thinks Frank Thomas was a "monster" hitter?

Peter_Spaeth · #9 01-09-2013, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Am I the only one that thinks Frank Thomas was a "monster" hitter?

Certainly for the first half of his career. He was headed for truly elite status, but his second half was not nearly as productive, I believe he missed a year due to injuries and while he still had some good seasons after that, it wasn't at the same level.

glchen · #10 01-09-2013, 02:31 PM

I'm one of the keep 'em all out people. I equate amphetamine / greenies more like a stronger form of coffee. I've never seen any kind of stat where after amphetamines were banned, some kind of baseball statistic such as strikeouts, home runs, batting average suddenly went down. So that tells me that the effect of these on the "numbers" in baseball was negligible. (If someone does have some stats on these, please correct me.) However, steroids was completely different. All of the numbers went up, way, way up, and since they have been banned, no one has approached 60 home runs again. That shows that the effect of steroids on the game was huge, and if you used it, you shouldn't get rewarded for it by being inducted into the Hall of Fame. This is not about being a likeable person or not (e.g., Cobb), but just that if you were on 'roids, your numbers were not genuine.

I really thought Biggio would get in. I didn't think he was associated w/ steroids or had that kind of body type. Maybe next year. I am also hoping that Morris is able to get in next year although it looks tough. I think next year Maddux and Glavine make it in, but the Big Hurt is left off.

triwak · #11 01-09-2013, 02:37 PM

Well, at least I don't have to devote any financial resources toward a Jack Morris or Mike Piazza card. I can now apply all those HUGE savings toward my upcoming Deacon White purchase!!!

Robextend · #12 01-09-2013, 02:44 PM

How is Frank Thomas going to get in next year if Mike Piazza didn't?

sbfinley · #13 01-09-2013, 02:48 PM

Well, at least I received four votes,.

yanks12025 · #14 01-09-2013, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

I think the best of each era should get in. The best 1% of each era. You can't compare 19th Century players with current players or Deadball era vs live ball era.
The ballpark you play in is also a "big" factor. Jack Morris in Tiger Stadium, Babe Ruth or any left hand hitting Yankee at the short right field fence. I think under 300 feet ! Even now Granderson hitting over 40 in New York.

How about players with "Tommy John Surgery ". Do they have an unfair advantage over players without the surgery ? Will they be banned in the future ? After the surgery, many are much better pitchers and throw with greater velocity because they physically changed their body.

It is not under 300 feet.

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