Genuine Babe Ruth Autographs

[ss]

Unless of course, you find one authentic signed flat that is consistent with the way he signatures on the right.

[mschwade]

Originally Posted by ss

Unless of course, you find one authentic signed flat that is consistent with the way he signatures on the right.

One? I'd want a lot more than that.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by ss

Unless of course, you find one authentic signed flat that is consistent with the way he signatures on the right.

Haven't seen one yet. Have you?

[ss]

Nope, but to have any validity we need to look just as hard - even if we don't believe it, do we not?

[cipollinaj]

I'm a newbie but would just like to offer an opinion on the examples shown in the beginning of this post.
The B in the autographs on the left side of page (done on a flat surface) are no different
to the B in the autographs on the right side (on baseball).
The B is not more vertical on the baseballs but is due to some foreshortening and change of viewing angle
when you photograph a curved object.
Think of a stick placed in the ground at an angle in front of you like "/"
when you start to walk around the stick it would slowly appear more vertical until it actually looks like this " l "
Look at the Babe Ruth autograph I picked from the left column and traced it onto a ball. The autograph is on top and the traced autograph on the ball is on bottom. You can see when looking at the red arrows that the B is more vertical in the photo of the baseball .
It is important to note also that the letters "th" in Ruth are now more vertical on the baseball because of the same distortion and can be seen in all the examples of baseballs shown
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1358810459
my .02 cents for what its worth

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by cipollinaj

I'm a newbie but would just like to offer an opinion on the examples shown in the beginning of this post.
The B in the autographs on the left side of page (done on a flat surface) are no different
to the B in the autographs on the right side (on baseball).
The B is not more vertical on the baseballs but is do to foreshortening
when you photograph a curved object.
Think of a stick placed in ground at angle in front of you like "/"
when you start to walk around the stick it would slowly appear more vertical until it actually looks like this " l "
Look at the Babe Ruth autograph I picked from the left column and traced it onto a ball. The autograph is on top and the traced autograph on the ball is on bottom. You can see when looking at the red arrows that the B is more vertical in the photo of the baseball and the two words have also narrowed, just like in all the examples of baseballs shown
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1358810459
my .02 cents for what its worth

Earlier in the thread I opined, "it appears some of the images of the balls on the right have been "flattened," which could lead to further distortion."

I think you described much more clearly what I was driving at.

[Frozen in Time]

Originally Posted by cipollinaj

I'm a newbie but would just like to offer an opinion on the examples shown in the beginning of this post.
The B in the autographs on the left side of page (done on a flat surface) are no different
to the B in the autographs on the right side (on baseball).
The B is not more vertical on the baseballs but is due to some foreshortening and change of viewing angle
when you photograph a curved object.
Think of a stick placed in the ground at an angle in front of you like "/"
when you start to walk around the stick it would slowly appear more vertical until it actually looks like this " l "
Look at the Babe Ruth autograph I picked from the left column and traced it onto a ball. The autograph is on top and the traced autograph on the ball is on bottom. You can see when looking at the red arrows that the B is more vertical in the photo of the baseball .
It is important to note also that the letters "th" in Ruth are now more vertical on the baseball because of the same distortion and can be seen in all the examples of baseballs shown
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1358810459
my .02 cents for what its worth

This explanation (and convincing visual demonstration) seems to make a lot of sense. So where does that leave us regarding consistent differences between the genuine autographs on the left and alleged autos on the right - aside from Jim's red flags regarding the sudden appearance of multiple, single-signed pristine balls with mint Ruth autos all within a relatively short time frame?

[CardsFan999]

General question on forgeries that I didn't see mentioned in this thread: Does it make a difference if the forger is left or right-handed, since Ruth and Gehrig were lefties and signed left-handed? I would think that it would be easier for a left-handed forger to get the slant correct and so forth. Are any of the known forgers of Ruth/Gehrig left-handed.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by CardsFan999

General question on forgeries that I didn't see mentioned in this thread: Does it make a difference if the forger is left or right-handed, since Ruth and Gehrig were lefties and signed left-handed? I would think that it would be easier for a left-handed forger to get the slant correct and so forth. Are any of the known forgers of Ruth/Gehrig left-handed.

Babe Ruth signed right handed.
Lou Gehrig signed right handed.