New Member Saying Hello: Banned From PSA Forums This Morning

[oldjudge]

PSA, if they are to maintain any credibility, should have to disclose who the graders and the submitter were on this order, and what their relationship is, if there is any. This smells bad---Say it Ain't So Joe.

[Texxxx]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

This smells bad---Say it Ain't So Joe.

It,s so. Nothing that most of this board didn't already know though. We would love to think this stuff didn't go on but there have been to many times that situations like this have popped up.

[DavidG1966]

It seems like there have been a few more threads over there today referring to the post I was banned for. People just asking questions. They are being quickly snuffed out and POOFed as fast as they get created. It also looked like someone pushed an old thread pertaining to the submitter to the top. It too has mysteriously vanished.

This board is actually very refreshing! It looks like people can actually express their opinions without fear of banning here. Its like a catharses for me!

I am happy to be here! Thank you!

[npa589]

I think it's just a matter of time before PSA is destroyed by their lack of integrity. It really seems obvious what is going on, and from the standpoint of those who like engaging in "defensible" fraud, it would be easy ploy to simply be favorable with their authentications for those who they have done enormous business with, since the grades assigned are, after all, only opinions.

Now, their possible malfeasance with regard to some Wagner card is another story.

[oldjudge]

I thought the graders are not supposed to know who the submitter is. Is that not right?

[leftygrove10]

I have a question. Can somebody submit 1000 cards to PSA and tell them, "Only holder the cards that you grade PSA 10. Don't holder any of the other cards." If this is possible, then isn't it possible that the PSA 10 list provided by the OP was a result of a submission like this?

[queencitysportscards]

Once the card has been graded it will be slabbed. The process is supposed to be handled by the graders without knowing who the customer is, so there is no "bias."

Check out this video about the grading process! I just packed up some cards and I will be sending to PSA in the morning. I hope they come back 10's!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0Mqn62_LlQ

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by leftygrove10

I have a question. Can somebody submit 1000 cards to PSA and tell them, "Only holder the cards that you grade PSA 10. Don't holder any of the other cards." If this is possible, then isn't it possible that the PSA 10 list provided by the OP was a result of a submission like this?

yes that probably happened to the 16 certs for which no card appears ...

[mrvster]

welcome aboard my bro

peace

johnny v

[DavidG1966]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

yes that probably happened to the 16 certs for which no card appears ...

You can submit cards with a "minimum grade requested" which means that PSA will only holder those cards that meet the MG requested (in this case, PSA 10). My understanding is that the cert #s which have no cards next to them are the ones that did not reach the MG requested, because when you submit cards to PSA EVERY card is assigned a cert # whether it grades or gets holdered or not.

If I did the math correctly they have over a 97% 10 rate on that huge submission. Someone mentioned he thought this was an April Fools joke when he saw the list. Well this isn't April. However, there could be plenty of fools, but they aren't at PSA or at the submitter. They are clearly NOT fools.

Cha-Ching!

[CW]

Originally Posted by leftygrove10

I have a question. Can somebody submit 1000 cards to PSA and tell them, "Only holder the cards that you grade PSA 10. Don't holder any of the other cards." If this is possible, then isn't it possible that the PSA 10 list provided by the OP was a result of a submission like this?

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

yes that probably happened to the 16 certs for which no card appears ...

Yes, according to one of the threads that got zapped, this seller is known for having a good eye and submitting cards with minimum grade requirements of 10. Knowing this, I think we have 3 distinct possibilities, 2 of which concern me as a collector who buys graded cards (the final two). I can't say which scenario is the truth, but all 3 are possible...

1. This seller has a top notch eye for condition and has a huge pool of cards from which to select, and only sends in the best of the best.

2. This submitter gets preferential treatment and higher grades than you or I would get for the same cards.

3. The cards being submitted are being cut from a sheet in a way that PSA can't detect or PSA no longer has the expertise or time to detect and reject. The submitter themselves may not be doing the cutting, and may have no knowledge of it.

These are not accusations -- merely discussing the possibilities. That is an amazing submission result, to say the least!

€hû¢k Wölƒƒ

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CW

Yes, according to one of the threads that got zapped, this seller is known for having a good eye and submitting cards with minimum grade requirements of 10. Knowing this, I think we have 3 distinct possibilities, 2 of which concern me as a collector who buys graded cards (the final two). I can't say which scenario is the truth, but all 3 are possible...

1. This seller has a top notch eye for condition and has a huge pool of cards from which to select, and only sends in the best of the best.

2. This submitter gets preferential treatment and higher grades than you or I would get for the same cards.

3. The cards being submitted are being cut from a sheet in a way that PSA can't detect or PSA no longer has the expertise or time to detect and reject. The submitter themselves may not be doing the cutting, and may have no knowledge of it.

These are not accusations -- merely discussing the possibilities. That is an amazing submission result, to say the least!

€hû¢k Wölƒƒ

1 and 2 are not mutually exclusive. Given how arbitrary the difference between a 9 and a 10 is, it seems hard to fathom a 97 percent rate of 10's in the ordinary course.

[DavidG1966]

Originally Posted by CW

Yes, according to one of the threads that got zapped, this seller is known for having a good eye and submitting cards with minimum grade requirements of 10. Knowing this, I think we have 3 distinct possibilities, 2 of which concern me as a collector who buys graded cards (the final two). I can't say which scenario is the truth, but all 3 are possible...

1. This seller has a top notch eye for condition and has a huge pool of cards from which to select, and only sends in the best of the best.

2. This submitter gets preferential treatment and higher grades than you or I would get for the same cards.

3. The cards being submitted are being cut from a sheet in a way that PSA can't detect or PSA no longer has the expertise or time to detect and reject. The submitter themselves may not be doing the cutting, and may have no knowledge of it.

These are not accusations -- merely discussing the possibilities. That is an amazing submission result, to say the least!

€hû¢k Wölƒƒ

Now that you mention this, I believe I remember seeing a very specific thread about a large submitter on the PSA boards. Numbers 2 and 3 and combinations of 2 and 3 were talked about. I don't recall option 1 being discussed at all other then in jest and a mocking manner. I seem to recall that the thread discussed a large submitter (I don't recall which one) and all the 10s they were getting at the time. A member had somehow linked them with the purchase of laser paper cutters, or something similar, which caused quite a stir. I'd go back and search for it and other related issues in the archives, but I am now banned and PSA poofed the thread I am referring to anyway. Does anyone here, also on PSA recall this?

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by CW

1. This seller has a top notch eye for condition and has a huge pool of cards from which to select, and only sends in the best of the best.

I can see how certain submitters have a better eye for grades. But what would the reason be to reject a "9" for these cards? Certainly worth the grading fee as well.

[DavidG1966]

Originally Posted by CW

Yes, according to one of the threads that got zapped, this seller is known for having a good eye and submitting cards with minimum grade requirements of 10. Knowing this, I think we have 3 distinct possibilities, 2 of which concern me as a collector who buys graded cards (the final two). I can't say which scenario is the truth, but all 3 are possible...

1. This seller has a top notch eye for condition and has a huge pool of cards from which to select, and only sends in the best of the best.

2. This submitter gets preferential treatment and higher grades than you or I would get for the same cards.

3. The cards being submitted are being cut from a sheet in a way that PSA can't detect or PSA no longer has the expertise or time to detect and reject. The submitter themselves may not be doing the cutting, and may have no knowledge of it.

These are not accusations -- merely discussing the possibilities. That is an amazing submission result, to say the least!

€hû¢k Wölƒƒ

Let's give Mr. Orlando and his posse the benefit of doubt for discussion sake. I still can't believe we are able to discuss things here! Red Rover Red Rover let the rest of the PSA membership board come over!

Anyway... Just for discussion purposess toss out all the holes and inconstancies in his post that people are talking about here for a minute. In Mr. Orlando's multi purpose post he fails to address option #3 above.

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by CW

I can't say which scenario is the truth, but all 3 are possible...

1. This seller has a top notch eye for condition and has a huge pool of cards from which to select, and only sends in the best of the best.

2. This submitter gets preferential treatment and higher grades than you or I would get for the same cards.

3. The cards being submitted are being cut from a sheet in a way that PSA can't detect or PSA no longer has the expertise or time to detect and reject. The submitter themselves may not be doing the cutting, and may have no knowledge of it.

Hmmmm. Let's think about this. Which one is most likely if PSA is deleting every thread on the subject?

Jeff Payne