Photo Question.

[Frozen in Time]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

I think if you are planning on dumping a boatload of Dinero on some old photo, you BETTER know what you are doing. honestly, some prices Ive seen , to me, are RIDICULOUS for certain "Type 1" photos. Again tho, its up to people if they have the means/want to spend that much.

Bottom line, if you MUST have a first generation, first printing, first minute it was made, one of a kind vintage image that sears into your soul, be sure you aren't buying a photo that may be Type 2, or just cool and Older. That would be a TRAVESTY of life..

Hi Scott. I agree 100% that one should ideally have as much knowledge as possible before spending a significant amount of money on a vintage photo and, in particular, as you have pointed out - a Type 1 photo. But I don't consider this to be RIDICULOUS nor do I see how this is any different than buying any other vintage item in the hobby.

For instance, even though I personally can't understand why some people are willing to spend 10's or even 100's of thousands of dollars on tiny pieces of cardboard, which in most cases multiple examples exist, I realize that for these individuals this represents their passion and the fulfillment of their hobby-related interests. Compared to cards, collecting vintage photos is still in its infancy and my guess is that as the true rarity of some of these images continues to be appreciated we have not seen the last of significant amounts being spent to acquire them.

Craig

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Frozen in Time

Hi Scott. I agree 100% that one should ideally have as much knowledge as possible before spending a significant amount of money on a vintage photo and, in particular, as you have pointed out - a Type 1 photo.

Craig, to most of us this seems obvious, but not to all. If you have been reading the 'Brooklyn cdv' thread, you'll see that there are many collectors in our hobby who were satisfied when a $40-50K photo had simply been slabbed by SGC. They had no additional questions to ask and were enraged that anyone else did. The whole point of slabbing a photo (or anything else) seems to be to allow the potential buyer to give their own brains a rest.

[Frozen in Time]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Craig, to most of us this seems obvious, but not to all. If you have been reading the 'Brooklyn cdv' thread, you'll see that there are many collectors in our hobby who were satisfied when a $40-50K photo had simply been slabbed by SGC. They had no additional questions to ask and were enraged that anyone else did. The whole point of slabbing a photo (or anything else) seems to be to allow the potential buyer to give their own brains a rest.

"The whole point of slabbing a photo (or anything else) seems to be to allow the potential buyer to give their own brains a rest." Scott, that is definitely a problem and frankly, I don't quite understand it although, as you correctly point out, it does also appear to be the case in other segments of the hobby, i.e., cards, autographs, etc.

I realize that it may be slightly easier for me (because of my limited and rather narrow collecting focus) but even in my case I have had to put in a great deal of time doing the necessary "homework" to feel confident in my purchases. At least for me, slowly acquiring this knowledge has enhanced my appreciation of what I have obtained and is an essential component of my total enjoyment of what I collect.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Frozen in Time

I realize that it may be slightly easier for me (because of my limited and rather narrow collecting focus) but even in my case I have had to put in a great deal of time doing the necessary "homework" to feel confident in my purchases. At least for me, slowly acquiring this knowledge has enhanced my appreciation of what I have obtained and is an essential component of my total enjoyment of what I collect.

I'm bored and have some time on my hands, so here are some thoughts I've had for a long time:

There could be other reasons that it is easier for you. I learned about early card lithography by acquiring and studying lots of cheap examples. Same with early 20th century photos, and with 19th century albumens. I'm convinced that this is the best approach to 'affordably' gaining enough knowledge to work toward becoming an expert in almost any hobby. It's not 'years spent in the hobby' as much as it is 'number of items handled', and of course, how interested you actually are in learning about what you are handling.

'Years' counts a great deal, but I've seen very old collectors who confounded me with their inability to accurately assess an item. I had one such friend once ask me whether or not a T205 was real. This stunned me, as T205's are pretty simple to identify. I became more keyed in on other collectors who asked what seemed to be 'dumb' questions about id'ing cards, and, realizing that they were intelligent people, I figured there must be something more to it.

I started thinking about something I had read by Carl Jung that discussed self-individuation and a process he used to bring up unconscious elements of the psyche. It is very similar to meditation and involves clearing out thoughts. He said that while doing this, the unconscious elements make themselves evident in one of three ways: seemingly meaningless bits of sentences, dialogues, and visually. It depends on the type of person you are. I realized that for me it is almost completely visual. I tested that revelation through puzzle-solving and a few other things, and validated it. I believe that 'visual' people have an innate ability to see things in art, photos, etc., that simply don't register as well for others. It's no flaw on their part - just different. There are probably other very important things that 'visual' people can't do, that these non-visual people find very easy.

Just my thinking. Time for lunch.

[Frozen in Time]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I'm bored and have some time on my hands, so here are some thoughts I've had for a long time:

There could be other reasons that it is easier for you. I learned about early card lithography by acquiring and studying lots of cheap examples. Same with early 20th century photos, and with 19th century albumens. I'm convinced that this is the best approach to 'affordably' gaining enough knowledge to work toward becoming an expert in almost any hobby. It's not 'years spent in the hobby' as much as it is 'number of items handled', and of course, how interested you actually are in learning about what you are handling.

'Years' counts a great deal, but I've seen very old collectors who confounded me with their inability to accurately assess an item. I had one such friend once ask me whether or not a T205 was real. This stunned me, as T205's are pretty simple to identify. I became more keyed in on other collectors who asked what seemed to be 'dumb' questions about id'ing cards, and, realizing that they were intelligent people, I figured there must be something more to it.

I started thinking about something I had read by Carl Jung that discussed self-individuation and a process he used to bring up unconscious elements of the psyche. It is very similar to meditation and involves clearing out thoughts. He said that while doing this, the unconscious elements make themselves evident in one of three ways: seemingly meaningless bits of sentences, dialogues, and visually. It depends on the type of person you are. I realized that for me it is almost completely visual. I tested that revelation through puzzle-solving and a few other things, and validated it. I believe that 'visual' people have an innate ability to see things in art, photos, etc., that simply don't register as well for others. It's no flaw on their part - just different. There are probably other very important things that 'visual' people can't do, that these non-visual people find very easy.

Just my thinking. Time for lunch.

Enjoy your lunch. I actually completely agree with you on this. I am also a highly "visual" person and often intuitively see (and consequently appreciate) much more in images of any kind than most of my friends. Whether or not this is a byproduct of what I spend most of my time doing in my professional career, or vice versa, has always interested me. But one thing is certain, my ability to store, retrieve and subsequently process and interpret information is almost always easier for me when it based on visual input as opposed to auditory, somatosensory, etc.

I guess I chose the right things to collect!!