Regarding the SOVEREIGN "apple green" back phenomena....some interesting stuff

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tedzan

NOTE

Pictured here are the three printing phases of the Joe Doyle card. The Nat'l error card (only 8 have been confirmed) exists only with the PIEDMONT 350 back. American
Lithographic (ALC) first printed the PIEDMONT backs; and, an observant employee at ALC spotted the Nat'l mistake on the Doyle caption. So, ALC quickly stopped print-
ing of this card. And probabably discarded most of them. However, a few of these cards did get into circulation. How many, we may never know.

The card in the center is an interim version which has a "printer's mark" exactly aligned with the leftmost serif of the N of the error card. This printer's mark is apparently
the result of a hasty attempt to remove the Nat'l lettering from the printing plate. A survey was originated back in June 2007 (and has been updated since). It indicates
that 7.3 % of the Doyle cards are found with this printer's mark. Most of these cards are PIEDMONT's. To a lesser extent, this printer's mark is found on SWEET CAPORAL
cards. And, 1 (or 2) OLD MILL and POLAR BEAR Joe Doyle cards have been found with this printer's mark. No EPDG or TOLSTOI Joe Doyle cards have yet been found with
this printer's mark. For the original thread on this printer's mark, check-out..... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...slow+joe+doyle


........................ PIEDMONT 350 (only) ............................................... PIEDMONT 350 .......................................... SOVEREIGN 350

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I have 4 - SOVEREIGN Joe Doyle cards; and, I have seen 8 other ones. None have been found with the printer's mark. And, I do not expect that any will be found.
The SOVEREIGN apple green press runs occurred in a later phase of the printing runs (circa Summer/Fall 1910).





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TED Z

The following is an UPDATE of the survey I started regarding the Joe Doyle printer's mark in June 2007. The current numbers reflect that 7.3 % of the Joe Doyle cards
sampled have this printer's mark.

UPDATED as of Jan 23, 2013


T-brand.............Mark.....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........10...........84

Sweet Cap 350.......6..........115

Polar Bear..............2............17

Old Mill..................1.............6

Sovereign 350.........0...........12

Tolstoi...................0.............4

EPDG.....................0.............1
.
Unknown back.........0.............2
____________________________

Totals................. 19 ........ 241


If anyone on this forum has not previously reported their Joe Doyle card with/without this printer's mark, we would like to hear from you.

And, please identify the T-brand back of your card.
The survey continues.


Thanks,

TED Z

[tedzan]

PRINTER's MARK................/\


UPDATED as of Jan 24, 2013

T-brand.............Mark.....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........10............85

Sweet Cap 350.......6...........116

Polar Bear..............2............17

Old Mill..................1.............6

Sovereign 350.........0...........12

Tolstoi...................0.............4

EPDG.....................0.............1
.
Unknown back.........0.............2
____________________________

Totals................. 19 ........ 243


Two new inputs......a PIEDMONT and a SWEET CAPORAL......neither with Mark.

19/262 = 7.2 % Joe Doyle cards with printer's mark


If anyone on this forum has not previously reported their Joe Doyle card with (or without) this printer's mark,
we would like to hear from you.

And, please identify the T-brand back of your card.
This survey continues.

Thanks,

TED Z

[cobblove]

Very cool thread. I enjoyed all this info.
I only have 1 Sovereign back and I bought it because it was so dang bright on the back. Just love it. But now seeing those apple greens, its making me want to find one like that or make a run of the different shades. Very cool.
Well here is mine. Its so green it looks blue to me but its not I know.
Its a bender with trees.

Thanks for posting this info!

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by cobblove

Very cool thread. I enjoyed all this info.
I only have 1 Sovereign back and I bought it because it was so dang bright on the back. Just love it. But now seeing those apple greens,
its making me want to find one like that or make a run of the different shades. Very cool. Well here is mine. Its so green it looks blue to
me but its not I know. Its a bender with trees.



Thanks for posting this info!

It's been my experience that the deeper green backs are mostly found on the 350-only Series subjects. Like your Bender (trees) card. Very nice find.

If you are interested in acquiring an apple green SOVEREIGN, a 150 Series, and 460 Series backs....email me and I will see what I have to offer.

tedzan11@comcast.net


Thanks for the compliment.

TED Z

[Jantz]

Hi Ted

I posted in your 2009 thread, but that was about the colors of the Sovereign backs and whether I had any examples to add to your list.

Since then I've acquired two Doyles to add to your survey.

T206 Doyle (Hands above head) Sovereign 350 No-Mark

T206 Doyle (Hands above head) Sweet Caporal 350 f#30 Mark

Hope this helps


Jantz

[tedzan]

Jantz......Each and every input helps. Thank you very much for your two inputs.




PRINTER's MARK................/\


UPDATED as of Jan 25, 2013

T-brand.............Mark.....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........10............85

Sweet Cap 350.......7...........116

Polar Bear..............2............17

Old Mill..................1.............6

Sovereign 350.........0...........13

Tolstoi...................0.............4

EPDG.....................0.............1
.
Unknown back.........0.............2
____________________________

Totals................. 20 ........ 244


Joe Doyle cards with this printer's mark = 20/264 = 7.6 %


If anyone on this forum has not previously reported their Joe Doyle card with (or without) this printer's mark,
your input to this survey would be really appreciated.

And, please identify the T-brand back of your card.


Thanks,

TED Z

[tedzan]

Six new inputs have been reported from Net54er's.....a PIEDMONT, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR, TOLSTOI, and SWEET CAPORAL (2 cards)

There ia a printer's mark on the POLAR BEAR card. There is no printer's mark on the other 5 cards.




PRINTER's MARK................/\



UPDATED as of Jan 28, 2013

T-brand.............Mark.....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........10............86

Sweet Cap 350.......7...........118

Polar Bear..............3............17

Old Mill..................1.............7

Sovereign 350.........0...........13

Tolstoi...................0.............5

EPDG.....................0.............1

Unknown back.........0.............2
____________________________

Totals................. 21 ........ 249


Joe Doyle cards with this printer's mark = 21/270 = 7.8 %


If anyone on this forum has not previously reported their Joe Doyle card with (or without) this printer's mark,
your input to this survey would be really appreciated.

And, please identify the T-brand back of your card.

Thanks,

TED Z