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I can send you a bunch of scans on SGC graded cards that are incredibly overgraded.
I'd like to see one. Just one. It has to be something that we can all agree is overgraded (paper loss, pin holes, etc), not just your opinion that it's overgraded. I'll go first. Here is a PSA 6 with paper loss. Probably should have graded no higher than a 2 (overgraded by 4 grades). Either way, I think we can both agree it's not a 6.

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I'd like to see one. Just one. It has to be something that we can all agree is overgraded (paper loss, pin holes, etc), not just your opinion that it's overgraded. I'll go first. Here is a PSA 6 with paper loss. Probably should have graded no higher than a 2 (overgraded by 4 grades). Either way, I think we can both agree it's not a 6.
David- what about corner wear? Isn't that important?? SGC is a joke when it comes to this....
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David- Also, how do you know the card was not swapped out? I will admit, one downfall of PSA is the holders are very easily tamperable,,,but would'nt common sense take over in a case like this when you are looking at the card? how in the world would PSA miss this kind of paper loss? no way.....
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When is the last time you have seen PSA 7 T206s with slightly rounded corners? how many SGC's would you like to see?? I have many.....
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David- what about corner wear? Isn't that important?? SGC is a joke when it comes to this....
Corner wear is fine, as long as we can all agree it's "incredibly overgraded."

And no, that card was not swapped out. I can show you another PSA 6 with even more paper loss that belonged to a board member. He had to get PSA to make it right.
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Corner wear is fine, as long as we can all agree it's "incredibly overgraded."

And no, that card was not swapped out. I can show you another PSA 6 with even more paper loss that belonged to a board member. He had to get PSA to make it right.
Corner wear is fine? Really? Holy cow, how many PSA 7's would you like that you can easily cross to SGC 88-96's based on that? You dont collect coins do you?
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Hey we all make mistakes, it happens. Luckily most of us aren't experts.



For those of you who think that essentially it's hard to tell the difference between an 8 and a 9.
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Corner wear is fine? Really? Holy cow, how many PSA 7's would you like that you can easily cross to SGC 88-96's based on that? You dont collect coins do you?
Kevin, you're twisiting my words. I didn't mean that corner was fine as an acceptable flaw on a card. I meant corner wear was fine if you wanted to use it as an example to show me an SGC card that is overgraded.

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David- No offense, but to take a stance that "corner wear" is fine when it comes to T206 grading makes absolutely no sense to me. Yes, I know, there are some members that will insist "if the corners are too sharp, it must be trimmed!" So where in the hell do you draw the line? All I am saying is that if you look at SGC 84's and PSA 7's consistantly, 80% or better of the time, there is no comparison....
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David-How many examples of overgraded SGC t206s would you like to see? Start with this one, Google SGC 84 Hal Chase (dark cap). I recently bought this card for less than $400 on Ebay, is this really a 7? I dont think so....
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David- here's another, take a peak at Ebay SGC 86 Harry Mcintyre, look at all corners....Really, a 7.5? not even close....let me know if you want me to go on....
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Kevin love to see some, but Chris is away so not sure he can post scans for you.

Also Kevin I will be submitting quite a few PSA 7s this month I will keep an eye out for these easy 88's and 96's I should be getting back from those sloppy SGC folks. Good to hear about this I'm very excited.
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Kevin love to see some, but Chris is away so not sure he can post scans for you.

Also Kevin I will be submitting quite a few PSA 7s this month I will keep an eye out for these easy 88's and 96's I should be getting back from those sloppy SGC folks. Good to hear about this I'm very excited.
John- no offense, but as tight as you are, I doubt you have the nuts to crack PSA 7's! I didnt even know you had any...
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Not sure i follow Kevin perhaps you can clarify your comment?
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I'd like to see one. Just one. It has to be something that we can all agree is overgraded (paper loss, pin holes, etc), not just your opinion that it's overgraded. I'll go first. Here is a PSA 6 with paper loss. Probably should have graded no higher than a 2 (overgraded by 4 grades). Either way, I think we can both agree it's not a 6.
David,

I have heard the PSA is more forgiving on paper loss. Here is another example...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T-206-SWEET-...51222833544?pt
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David,

I have heard the PSA is more forgiving on paper loss. Here is another example...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T-206-SWEET-...51222833544?pt
I've heard that too. Here's another example of being very forgiving on paper loss (both edges in fact):



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