Auction Houses and blind bidding

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by Mrvintage

Paul I am guessing that your 79 topps baseball set registry on psa isn't public because you don't want people seeing what cards you need and then running the price up on you when they become available. How is that any different than if there is a well known collector trying to buy a card from an AH and having the price driven up on them if there name is "transparent" as you want? Pretty much seems like you are for privacy when it benefits you, but against it when it doesn't.

Wait, are you actually trying to make that argument that a seller would have shill bidding on his auction if he knew the buyer was someone in particular? And that the seller otherwise wouldn't shill bid the auction?

Wat?

[bobbyw8469]

If I paid $1,000 for a card one month ago, do you think I am going to absolutely hate it at $500??? I bid on alot of cards. I use ONE CLICK BID. Alot of times I don't even look at the seller. I accidentally bid on the card. I see a card that I think is an absolute steal, and I bid on it. I am a VCP member and I see what the current average is on the card. The winning bidder got it for darn near $150 under the average selling price. It was an accident. I would have LOVED to have that card for $600. At $710 the winning bidder absolute stole the card.

If I am a shill bidder, I am one of the worst ones in history, because I lost almost $400 on the card. I had a $800 offer for the card that I had turned down. I saw the card at $500. I accidentally bid on it, thinking of the $800 offer. To call me a shill bidder is ludicrous. How many people in here have lost $400 on a card in just one months time? Not many, I care to wager.....

Bottom line...isn't a shill bidder supposed to bid his items UP, past the point of what he paid for an item?? I am not a shill bidder. I bid nowhere near what I paid. As I stated, I lost $400 on the card. To call me a shill bidder, you might as well call all of you collectos with your nylons, Q-tips and your 'card soaking' as card doctors......

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

If I paid $1,000 for a card one month ago, do you think I am going to absolutely hate it at $500??? I bid on alot of cards. I use ONE CLICK BID. Alot of times I don't even look at the seller. I accidentally bid on the card. I see a card that I think is an absolute steal, and I bid on it. I am a VCP member and I see what the current average is on the card. The winning bidder got it for darn near $150 under the average selling price. It was an accident. I would have LOVED to have that card for $600. At $710 the winning bidder absolute stole the card.


If I am a shill bidder, I am one of the worst ones in history, because I lost almost $400 on the card. I had a $800 offer for the card that I had turned down. I saw the card at $500. I accidentally bid on it, thinking of the $800 offer. To call me a shill bidder is ludicrous. How many people in here have lost $400 on a card in just one months time? Not many, I care to wager.....

I have lost more than that a number of times and never shill bid. And I didn't have the cards very long either. I am probably one of the exceptions but I am sure there are a number of other board members in the same position. If you made a mistake, so be it, but from the sound of your tone it doesn't really sound like it. Just my observation. Like I say, if it was a mistake, say so and admit it, don't do it again, and move on.

[bobbyw8469]

I have lost more than that a number of times and never shill bid. And I didn't have the cards very long either. I am probably one of the exceptions but I am sure there are a number of other board members in the same position. If you made a mistake, so be it, but from the sound of your tone it doesn't really sound like it. Just my observation. Like I say, if it was a mistake, say so and admit it, don't do it again, and move on.

I was making a point Leon. Do you consider yourself a 'card doctor' because you use a Q-tip and water on a card?? Alot of people like to throw around phrases and 'conspiracy theories' when there is really nothing to see. Take Bill Holler. He liked to talk junk, when what he did is a federal crime. I am surprised the feds aren't after him for all the money he conned. I just don't like the double standards and hypocrisy that runs rampant.

I accidentally bid on a card. I bid $600, thinking of selling it to a collector who offered me $800 earlier that I had turned down. The card eventually sold for $710, so technically, I still could have made $90 (not counting the $1,000 I paid the previous month - that is a separate transaction). If the winning bidder wants to sell it to me for $800, I would love to buy it back from him. But to say I am a shill biddder, when I placed one bid that was nowhere close to what I paid is ludicrous. A true shill bidder bids, and bids, and bids, and usually has no intentions of paying.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I was making a point Leon. Do you consider yourself a 'card doctor' because you use a Q-tip and water on a card?? Alot of people like to throw around phrases and 'conspiracy theories' when there is really nothing to see. Take Bill Holler. He liked to talk junk, when what he did is a federal crime. I am surprised the feds aren't after him for all the money he conned. I just don't like the double standards and hypocrisy that runs rampant.

I accidentally bid on a card. I bid $600, thinking of selling it to a collector who offered me $800 earlier that I had turned down. The card eventually sold for $710, so technically, I still could have made $90 (not counting the $1,000 I paid the previous month - that is a separate transaction). If the winning bidder wants to sell it to me for $800, I would love to buy it back from him. But to say I am a shill biddder, when I placed one bid that was nowhere close to what I paid is ludicrous. A true shill bidder bids, and bids, and bids, and usually has no intentions of paying.

A shill bidder bids on his own cards. Once is a shill bid. Any more than that is just more shill bidding.

Also, trying to justify a mistake is kind of silly.

[Mrvintage]

I don't understand how you can "accidentally" bid on a card?

[OTWCards]

Bidding on your own item is shilling. Whether you intend to win or "buy back" at a "safe" price or just increase the final price of the eventual winner, it is still shilling.

Polishing a turd may make it shiny, but it is still a turd... And it will still stink!