Bloomer girls and Smokey Joe Wood postcard

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Leon

I only have a little vested interest, as the card will be in our next auction, and have to just disagree with ya'll. To me, they both look like Wood and Joss.

Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I can only say that the main massage I have tried to convey over several years of posts here is that what you have said above (he subjectively looks like a famous guy to me) has very little probative value (not just for you, Leon, I mean in general). It has near zero probative value when the person wasn't on that team and zero probative value when the ear doesn't match.

Having written about this subject, here's an excerpt, FWIW:
Unless the subject is a person we know quite well, either personally or via a vast number of images (like Bill Clinton or Babe Ruth), the sense of subjective facial recognition can be fooled by even slight facial similarity. This effect varies greatly with the beholder, hence heated disagreements do arise as to who is depicted in an old photo. Some of those who are frequently confused are unaware of this problem. An opinion that two photos depict the same person can be very strongly and sincerely felt, yet still be wrong.

[Jaybird]

Agree with others. Doesn't look like a match to me on either guy.

This might be the same guy bottom row far right...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I can only say that the main massage I have tried to convey over several years of posts here is that what you have said above (he subjectively looks like a famous guy to me) has very little probative value (not just for you, Leon, I mean in general). It has near zero probative value when the person wasn't on that team and zero probative value when the ear doesn't match.

I respectfully disagree. I guess folks don't think this is him in this very similar postcard either? Looks like the same guy to me but ..... same hat slant, same facial features...all more probative than not, to me

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Leon

I respectfully disagree. I guess folks don't think this is him in this very similar postcard either? Looks like the same guy to me but ..... same hat slant, same facial features...all more probative than not, to me

I am sure that for you (and probably others) he does look like the same guy - I don't doubt it. Potential bidders need of be aware that it doesn't mean much. This is an excellent example of confirmation bias.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

I am sure that for you (and probably others) he does look like the same guy - I don't doubt it. Potential bidders need of be aware that it doesn't mean much. This is an excellent example of confirmation bias.

Hi Mark
I think there is room for debate on this. Just curious, do you think that is him in the other postcard I just posted?

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hi Mark
I think there is room for debate on this. Just curious, do you think that is him in the other postcard I just posted?

Leon - I don't have all my materials at hand right now. A couple of years ago I took a look at the 2nd PC (dark uniforms) for a collector. As I recall Wood (but not Joss as far as I know) did play for that team. I believe my conclusion was that the guy front row right was unlikely to be Wood due to some facial feature mismatch - probably something visible related to chin structure.

Is he the same guy as the one in the same location in your auction PC - I don't know - the quality of your PC for that face is pretty bad, but I think he has the same chin problem vis-a-vis Wood. I can try to post some graphics later.

[Hankphenom]

Let it go, Leon. How much more do you need than to hear Joe Wood saying "This was NOT the Boston Bloomer girls...?" Of course, it could have been somebody else saying that.

[bmarlowe1]

Go here and see my post #31:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=122405&page=2

QED

[Jaybird]

Everything I've ever heard is him playing for BLoomer Girls in Kansas. I think the two cards have the same guy but I wouldn't make the leap that it is also Joe Wood. Especially since he isn't known to have played on the Boston Bloomers. I actually don't even think they look all that much like Wood.

That being said, I've seen cards at other auction houses and on ebay where the claim of the person being on the card is not the case. Take this for example...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1907-Carlisl...00875663359%26

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Jaybird

Everything I've ever heard is him playing for BLoomer Girls in Kansas. I think the two cards have the same guy but I wouldn't make the leap that it is also Joe Wood. Especially since he isn't known to have played on the Boston Bloomers. I actually don't even think they look all that much like Wood.

That being said, I've seen cards at other auction houses and on ebay where the claim of the person being on the card is not the case. Take this for example...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1907-Carlisl...00875663359%26

Sure thing. I took that other postcard from a positively id'd site. Nice....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Leon

Sure thing. I took that other postcard from a positively id'd site. Nice....

still researching