Opinion on Babe Ruth auto

[Sean1125]

A did a little bit more digging and even found the autograph you traced!

http://www.collecting-autographs.com...autograph.html

[GrayGhost]

Wow. BAM..

Great work, Mr. Holmes.

[GKreindler]

Whoa.

[Scott Garner]

Yikes!
I love it!

[daves_resale_shop]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

A did a little bit more digging and even found the autograph you traced!

http://www.collecting-autographs.com...autograph.html

Nice work!

[Mr. Zipper]

I've often suspected some of the "can you tell me specifically what's wrong with this autograph" inquiries were forgers testing the water and looking for improvement tips. (On chat boards everywhere... Not just here.)

This is the closest I've seen to confirming that suspicion.

[jrlebert]

Wow. I could not be more impressed with the sleuthing that was done in this thread. Here I was, all set to be a little huffy at the fact that all this guy was looking for was answers on why his auto wasn't legit, and, man, am I glad I held my tongue.

Sean, I would have never thought of most of the points that you threw out here, and then to go and find the exact signature? Killed it.

Yet another reason why I belong to this forum. Just saying a quick thanks to everyone. Fantastic read.

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by jrlebert

Wow. I could not be more impressed with the sleuthing that was done in this thread. Here I was, all set to be a little huffy at the fact that all this guy was looking for was answers on why his auto wasn't legit, and, man, am I glad I held my tongue.

Sean, I would have never thought of most of the points that you threw out here, and then to go and find the exact signature? Killed it.

Yet another reason why I belong to this forum. Just saying a quick thanks to everyone. Fantastic read.

+1

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

I've often suspected some of the "can you tell me specifically what's wrong with this autograph" inquiries were forgers testing the water and looking for improvement tips. (On chat boards everywhere... Not just here.)

This is the closest I've seen to confirming that suspicion.

I believe a majority of the inquiries into autographs are along those lines. How the person reacts and what they say is a big indication. This individuals gang affiliation in addition to what was said means the red flag has been raised and flown. I was debating about holding that pic but with how I went off without it you would think I'm crazy!

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

I've often suspected some of the "can you tell me specifically what's wrong with this autograph" inquiries were forgers testing the water and looking for improvement tips. (On chat boards everywhere... Not just here.)

This is the closest I've seen to confirming that suspicion.

+1

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

A did a little bit more digging and even found the autograph you traced!

http://www.collecting-autographs.com...autograph.html

I just noticed this thread today and must say GREAT WORK Sean.
Amazing how after you discovered this picture the OP has stopped posting.
Also pretty funny that an article about collecting Ruth autographs has a bogus illustration at the top.

[Westsiders]

Guys,

I'm the OP... My name is Scott Romero, and I live in Southern California. Everything that I've posted here is 100% true and accurate. The notions that I'm a forger...or even better "gang affiliated" are completely off-base. Btw...the name "Westsiders" comes from long standing fantasy football league (league was east coast based, and I was the only one on the West Coast...hence the name).

Again, I'm new here and must be missing something. The comments about "big brother watching", and "set up"...I just don't get. If I was a forger, wouldn't I pick a more typical Ruth auto to copy? The arguements/reasoning just don't make sense to me.

I think it's amazing that Sean found this auto on-line (I looked for hours with no success). But to be honest, I don't even know what to make of it. Is the auto on there because it's an example of a fake, or is it there because the author likes the appearance of the auto?

For arguements sake, let's take my photo out of it (which btw...was 100% sent to me by the card company). Is the auto itself real???

I am frustrated...but do appreciate help. And you guys must have some experience in these chat rooms that cause you to be extremely suspicious, just not sure why.

Thanks,

Scott

[GrayGhost]

The autograph you posted and that Sean found are one and the same as you know. In both cases, they ARE FORGERIES.

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by Westsiders

Guys,

I'm the OP... My name is Scott Romero, and I live in Southern California. Everything that I've posted here is 100% true and accurate. The notions that I'm a forger...or even better "gang affiliated" are completely off-base. Btw...the name "Westsiders" comes from long standing fantasy football league (league was east coast based, and I was the only one on the West Coast...hence the name).

Again, I'm new here and must be missing something. The comments about "big brother watching", and "set up"...I just don't get. If I was a forger, wouldn't I pick a more typical Ruth auto to copy? The arguements/reasoning just don't make sense to me.

I think it's amazing that Sean found this auto on-line (I looked for hours with no success). But to be honest, I don't even know what to make of it. Is the auto on there because it's an example of a fake, or is it there because the author likes the appearance of the auto?

For arguements sake, let's take my photo out of it (which btw...was 100% sent to me by the card company). Is the auto itself real???

I am frustrated...but do appreciate help. And you guys must have some experience in these chat rooms that cause you to be extremely suspicious, just not sure why.

Thanks,

Scott

man, you just need to move on. it's been repeated over and over by many experts here that the Ruth that you posted on your original message is not genuine.

people here guard the "tricks of the trade" closely...not because of a lack of generosity, but because they don't want to enable other scammers to create better forgeries. no expert here is going to tell you specifics on WHY that sig is bad. they did you a favor (one that several of the folks on this board get PAID to do for their livings) by letting you know that it is, indeed, fake.

i dont think you're actually a scammer, personally...but you already knew the answer to your question when you came here. that "B" in Babe is messed up. tell the "card company" that the sig is NOT satisfactory. Refer them here if you need to.

i do agree with many here that this reputable card company may not actually be all that reputable.

i'll bet you are out a good deal of money, and i hope you get the outcome you deserve.

best of luck.

Christian

[Westsiders]

Yep...I'm out a good chunk of change.

I had to go back and forth with the company for quite a while to get them to agree to replace the first card. Then waited several months for the replacement card, and seems I'm right back where I started...with a Ruth auto that doesn't seem legit.

Appreciate the advice.

Scott

[cubsfan-budman]

I would ask the company to send you at least the SN off of the JSA cert.

That auto is so obviously bad, I would assume that any JSA certification they have is also fake.

you could send that SN info to JSA and try to find out whats up.

Originally Posted by Westsiders

Yep...I'm out a good chunk of change.

I had to go back and forth with the company for quite a while to get them to agree to replace the first card. Then waited several months for the replacement card, and seems I'm right back where I started...with a Ruth auto that doesn't seem legit.

Appreciate the advice.

Scott

[Sean1125]

Provide us with a photo of the "previous" card.

[Westsiders]

Sean, I have all the photos and JSA cert for the first card, but I'm hesitant to post it.

My reasoning is this:

Right now, the only leverage I have with the card company is that I haven't blasted them on any websites (anywhere). They seem to be working with me (such as sending me an advanced photo of the auto they want to use in the replacement card), because they don't want their name associated with fake autos. If I give them up here, and post photos of the original card, I feel that will weaken my position. My big mistake was agreeing to send in the original card without receiveing the replacement card. They said they wanted to get the original card "off the market"...and I agreed to send it in (mistake of a new collector).

And to be honest, I don't know if replacing such high-end cards is common in the industry.