Another IDIOTIC ebayer!

[bigtrain]

There are a lot of casual collectors, as opposed to those hopelessly addicted to the monster, who don't have a clue as to scarce backs. There really is no accurate price guide, in book form or online, from which such a buyer could educate himself. Look at T206.org and you'll get a price of a few hundred bucks. Look at the SCD Vintage catalog and the card is worth maybe $100 times a multiplier of 10 to 15x for the back. SMR says its a $75 card in good condition. You really have to know past auction prices to know the value of Dan's card. Most casual collectors will not do that much research.

[Jay Wolt]

Tom, true!
But the guy offered Dan 5% of what the card was listed for.
W/ such a disparity, he should have researched the value prior to making the offer.
Does anyone expect any seller to discount a lot at 95% off their asking price?

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Tom, true!
But the guy offered Dan 5% of what the card was listed for.
W/ such a disparity, he should have researched the value prior to making the offer.
Does anyone expect any seller to discount a lot at 95% off their asking price?

Actually yes...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ken-Griffey-...item257412b855

[Matthew H]

I'm not sure why people are defending this clown. You wouldn't walk into the National and offer a dealer $300 on $7500 price tag, why is it ok on eBay? I'm also not buying the "stupid collector" theory, if he didn't know about backs (which is impossible at this point) then why is he interested in paying $300 for a $100 front. I personally think he was just being a d!ck.

[calvindog]

I'll take Dan over almost anyone in this forum. He's honest and he doesn't suffer fools. And none of his cards are seriously undergraded.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

I'm not sure why people are defending this clown. You wouldn't walk into the National and offer a dealer $300 on $7500 price tag, why is it ok on eBay?

And I'm not sure why people are defending Dan's behavior. Let's use your example for a minute. Let's say that same buyer walked up to Dan at the National and offered him $300 on his card priced $7500. Do you honestly think Dan would have responded the same? Do you think he would have called a customer at his table an "idiot" and a "dumbshit" and told him to do his homework? Or do you think the situation would have been handled a little different in person? So, I'll ask you the same question. Why is it ok on eBay?

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

And I'm not sure why people are defending Dan's behavior. Let's use your example for a minute. Let's say that same buyer walked up to Dan at the National and offered him $300 on his card priced $7500. Do you honestly think Dan would have responded the same? Do you think he would have called a customer at his table an "idiot" and a "dumbshit" and told him to do his homework? Or do you think the situation would have been handled a little different in person? So, I'll ask you the same question. Why is it ok on eBay?

Idk, I haven't met Dan at a show yet so I'll try and see what happens.

I've listed BINs with best offer before, so I've experienced the extreme low-balling phenomena that only seems to exist on eBay. I just let it slide and write it off as annoying... But Dan actually calling one of these guys out publicly was pretty funny to me.

[sb1]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

And I'm not sure why people are defending Dan's behavior. Let's use your example for a minute. Let's say that same buyer walked up to Dan at the National and offered him $300 on his card priced $7500. Do you honestly think Dan would have responded the same? Do you think he would have called a customer at his table an "idiot" and a "dumbshit" and told him to do his homework? Or do you think the situation would have been handled a little different in person? So, I'll ask you the same question. Why is it ok on eBay?

I can pretty much assure you it would go down the same way.

[sdkammeyer]

Well heck. I made a ridiculously low offer on one of his auctions in effort to extract an asinine response and I just got blocked.

I guess you guys' posts set him straight!!

[DerekMichael]

Temper or no, Mr. McKee just listed a few of the most kick ass rare back T206 I have ever seen.

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by sdkammeyer

Well heck. I made a ridiculously low offer on one of his auctions in effort to extract an asinine response and I just got blocked.

I guess you guys' posts set him straight!!

I answered you, read the response in the decline email. It was something like this for your $67 offer:

"You have a deal as long as I can cover shipping and buy you dinner tonight"

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by sb1

I can pretty much assure you it would go down the same way.

I was thinking the same thing. No one would be stupid enough to make such an offer in person, but Dan's reaction would be predictable.

[howard38]

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[sdkammeyer]

Originally Posted by howard38

If a seller unknown to the board did the same thing I have a feeling the reaction would be different.

+1

I have the strange thought that if I called numerous members "assholes" and then called Leon a "prick" I would get at least a small vacation .... if not a permanent one.

Must be nice to have clout like that.

[sdkammeyer]

Hell we have guys selling $225,000 cards they don't even own around here and they are still members ....

It's like some wild wild west stuff now.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by sdkammeyer

+1

I have the strange thought that if I called numerous members "assholes" and then called Leon a "prick" I would get at least a small vacation .... if not a permanent one.

Must be nice to have clout like that.

+2....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by sdkammeyer

+1

I have the strange thought that if I called numerous members "assholes" and then called Leon a "prick" I would get at least a small vacation .... if not a permanent one.

Must be nice to have clout like that.

I have known Danny for about 15 yrs. I have spent countless hours with him and we have had lots of dinners etc...together...I know Danny well and consider him a good hobby friend. I guess that is what a lot of folks, especially newer ones, don't know. There are about a hundred, or more, of us that go pretty far back. There are tons of members that go way further back than myself but regardless, a lot of us have deeper hobby ties than just the board. And as for Andrew (Aclinton1107), he just got the boot. There were reasons he wasn't booted earlier. That being said the "Andrew" threads need to either go away on their own or they will be locked. It's not fair for someone to get banned and then not be able to defend themselves while being talked about.

[matthew]

Originally Posted by howard38

I assume people are defending Dan because they are friends of his or at least have some sort of relationship through net54 with him. If a seller unknown to the board did the same thing I have a feeling the reaction would be different.

Well said

[Runscott]

.......... (sounded like whining )

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Tom, true!
But the guy offered Dan 5% of what the card was listed for.
W/ such a disparity, he should have researched the value prior to making the offer.
Does anyone expect any seller to discount a lot at 95% off their asking price?

there are 20 million dollar domain listings you can purchase for 10 bucks....especially in the porn business. many people all day post rediculous prices for their stuff.

the arguments for and against are cut and dry. the only thing this thread is doing is keeping this ridiculous conversation about how dan may or may not be a dick alive.

stop humoring his ridiculous threads and his attitude will stop. he clearly needs the attention.

kevin

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

Most casual collectors will not do that much research.

But they will think that a seller who has a card listed for $7,500 will accept $300? I can understand Dan's reaction. I don't generally make offers of less than 50% of the seller's asking price. Sure, the item may be only worth 30%, but I assume the seller has a value in mind that's too high for me and I am not going to waste our collective energy.