Ebay delibrately leaving bad items on the board - they need the $$$

travrosty · #1 03-16-2013, 07:25 PM

thats the dumbest analogy ever.

when the violators arre already caught, not AT LARGE. It's not liek we dont know fo the psa and jsa screwups, they have been caught, proven and turned in. Just not prosecuted fairly like the rest.

case in point.

you catch two guys robbing the store,

one white, one black, you bring them in, they book the black guy and let the white guy go.

now does your analogy hold up?

what you are saying is that we cant catch the psa or jsa screwups so lets let them all go.

but we already caught them and reported them, its just that its selective ENFORCEMENT, not the fact that we cant catch them all so let's let the ones we do catch go. We DID catch psa and jsa, its just that its ebay picking winners and losers.

I don't think you would have the same attitude if they delisted the psa and jsa fakes and kept the drew max fakes up? you wouldnt have a problem with that? It all comes down to whose ox is being gored. Just give me a good reason why psa and jsa fakes that have been proven to be fake deserve to remain up. you can't because you you like it that way. You like psa and jsa fakes. If you didn't , you would demand they come down the same as the rest.

a fake is a fake is a fake. These fakes are being laid right at ebays doorstep, they just choose to ignore some because of their cozy relationships.

So it's good i am not in law enforcement because I don't practive selective enforcement of the law? law enforcements job is to serve justice, which is suppose to be blind. two violators violating the same statute deserve equal treatment and justice under the law. not look one way for one and book the other. when the DA's brother in law gets his traffic ticket dismissed, when others have to pay, then that's a problem. But I guess you don't have a problem with that. I have had an EMR ask me for all the non psa and jsa fakes. what the heck is that? why protect companies who screwup and certify fakes. why are their fakes golden and something we shouldn't talk about and take proactive action with? Sacred cows for $$$$$$$$$$$$, power and other considerations in return for shutting up.

Mr. Zipper · #2 03-16-2013, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by travrosty

when the violators are turned in an you let them go, its not like you have to go searching for them.

case in point.

you catch two guys robbing the store,

one white, one black, you bring them in, they book the black guy and let the white guy go.

now does your analogy hold up?

I need to capture your post for posterity.

The point is this:

This war you have with PSA and JSA has so warped your judgement and reasoning that you actually welcome the idea of unleashing thousands upon thousands of fakes into the marketplace out of pure spite.

Mr. Zipper · #3 03-16-2013, 07:38 PM

And once again, Travis hijacks yet another thread with his incoherent ramblings about a white whale or strawberry ice cream.

Go start your own thread people can ignore. This is NOT about PSA or JSA.

travrosty · #4 03-16-2013, 08:40 PM

autographs don't have a race but they have an affiliation.

if you are affiliated with us (psa, jsa), then your autographs are protected on ebay.

i would report all fakes no matter whose name or company is on them, and i would demand they ALL be taken down. no name is above being pulled as a FAKE.

why is a psa or jsa fake somehow a better, higher-cut of an autograph than a fake by anyone else?

its discrimination, no matter how you look at it. you can defend it or try to explain it away, but it's still there.

some emr's deserve to be emr's some don't. i know an emr who knows nothing about autographs, but he is an emr. why? I don't know.

other emr's sell a lot of autogrpah in their specialty on ebay, with disclaimers on their accounts to watch out for the OTHER sellers, who may sell fakes. and this guy gets to report to ebay the fakes he finds within that same specialty he sells for and promises coa's from the company he works for as well. that's what is screwed up about this whole deal.

if ebay won't treat a proven fake as a fake and pull it, then it doesnt' deserve the support of emr's or anybody.

travrosty · #5 03-16-2013, 08:47 PM

Ebay should either start their own authentication service and require that all autographs be certed by team ebay, listing their authenticators on their website and making sure there are no conflicts of interest concerning these authenticators,

or

they should let all autographs on ebay without pulling anything down, just requiring that any company's or individuals coa that is listed with an autograph be registered with ebay first. listed on their website, with a weblink so you can go to that companies or indiduals website page, with a photo of the guy who looked at your autograph, his address, phone number, email which all been verified before hand.

this way the scammers will be reluctant to put their info down, and the rest will have their coa's up on ebay. and run a disclaimer in large print at the beginning of every autograph listing that be sure to visit the coa's website first, ask questions and be confident in the person or company that is issuing the coa. and that's it. if people are confident with someone you don't like. then let them be.

that way an autograph can either be listed without authentication, or it can be listed with a coa that must be picked out of the registered list before it can be listed. if the company or person issuing the coa you have isnt registered with ebay, then you cant mention or list the coa. all autograph without authentication are buyer beware as well, and it should say that you should be confident with who you are buying from. only the people and companies who take the time to meet the requirements will be allowed to be listed, and some fakers might do it, but their names, addresses and other identifiable info will be posted for all to see, no more GFA's.

if a coa is shown that isnt on the list, or a coa is listed that is a mismatch with the one shown, then one warning and after that, the seller is banned.

thecatspajamas · #6 03-16-2013, 09:16 PM

Travis, have you bothered to read the rest of this thread?

The point is, NO FAKE AUTOS ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN, regardless of who certed them.

It's exactly what you've been screaming for: ALL AUTHENTICATORS ARE BEING TREATED THE SAME: they are ALL being given free reign on eBay!

There is no preference being given by eBay to PSA, JSA or any other authenticator, and all alerts from emr's are being ignored. You should be dancing in the streets, not copy/pasting from your previous rants. The 50% of what you have typed that is coherent no longer applies!

johnmh71 · #7 03-17-2013, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

Travis, have you bothered to read the rest of this thread?

The point is, NO FAKE AUTOS ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN, regardless of who certed them.

It's exactly what you've been screaming for: ALL AUTHENTICATORS ARE BEING TREATED THE SAME: they are ALL being given free reign on eBay!

There is no preference being given by eBay to PSA, JSA or any other authenticator, and all alerts from emr's are being ignored. You should be dancing in the streets, not copy/pasting from your previous rants. The 50% of what you have typed that is coherent no longer applies!

+1

Leon · #8 03-17-2013, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

... The 50% of what you have typed that is coherent no longer applies!

There was 50% that was coherent? I guess I was reading the other 50%.

Forever Young · #9 03-17-2013, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

travis, have you bothered to read the rest of this thread?

The point is, no fake autos are being taken down, regardless of who certed them.

It's exactly what you've been screaming for: All authenticators are being treated the same: They are all being given free reign on ebay!

there is no preference being given by ebay to psa, jsa or any other authenticator, and all alerts from emr's are being ignored. You should be dancing in the streets, not copy/pasting from your previous rants. The 50% of what you have typed that is coherent no longer applies!

hahahaha @ "dancing in the streets".

travrosty · #10 03-18-2013, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

Travis, have you bothered to read the rest of this thread?

The point is, NO FAKE AUTOS ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN, regardless of who certed them.

It's exactly what you've been screaming for: ALL AUTHENTICATORS ARE BEING TREATED THE SAME: they are ALL being given free reign on eBay!

There is no preference being given by eBay to PSA, JSA or any other authenticator, and all alerts from emr's are being ignored. You should be dancing in the streets, not copy/pasting from your previous rants. The 50% of what you have typed that is coherent no longer applies!

like i said, if they wont take down the jsa or psa fakes, then why should the other fakes get picked on when the psa and jsa fakes get a "get out of jail free card?

If they ONLY took down jsa and psa fakes and made it their official policy, i suppose you would be happy they are at least taking down something?

don't you see when the shoe is on the other foot, even you wouldn't hold the same opinion as before, but since the psa and jsa fakes stay up when the others didnt enjoy the same protection, to you that is better than nothing, but switch it around and it is NOT better than nothing.

i take the same tack either way, either get serious about removing fakes or don't. when they protected psa and jsa fakes, they didnt get serious, and now they are removing nothing, so they are not serious. nothing has changed.

the only ones that should be mad at the new ebay policy is psa and jsa, they now have competition for their fakes being offered. there was no shortage of fakes on ebay before even if all the non-psa and jsa fakes were removed. Still plenty of protected autos of the psa and jsa variety being offered, but i just never heard any outrage at that.

It was picking winners and losers. they were saying all psa and jsa autographs were winners and all others were losers.

i offered an autograph from a private signing session i did and it included a picture of the guy signing the item and it got taken down. why? politics only.

if it had no picture but a psa or jsa cert, it would have been golden. it's slanted from day one people!

zipper always claims hijacking threads, but its only hijacking if someone says something he doesn't like. zipper approved popular speech isn't hijacking.

I put out an alternative of what ebay could do, actually two of them. i really liked leon's suggestion. zero
maybe everyone likes what they were doing before, protecting psa and jsa. i know the auction houses love it, but it's one big nest of protection from the authenticators, the auction houses, the publications and the other hangers on who can make a buck off the current system of protection and back scratching. Don't rock the boat and don't change the status quo. The loser is the collector as always. Ebay will figure out what to do eventually. There were EMR's who are authenticators for the pre-approved companies, EMR's with big accounts on ebay selling their autographs. conflicts of interests abound. Let's clean it up and if ebay starts by going back to square one, then I await them to do some REAL cleaning up of the hobby and their auction house. But it will take a pair, not just saying to psa or jsa, "just list" whatever the heck it is you want and we will leave it up".

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