How does this Heritage/Mantle look to you?

[jgmp123]

Ben,

You honestly see no issues with an auction company as prevalent as Heritage is in this hobby listing an obvious forgery before it has been looked at by authenticators?

The fact that they withdrew it was obvious enough, just like the items they had in the big Walter Johnson auction a few weeks back that Hauls of Shame discovered.

My only beef is that they are displaying items for auction/sale that have not been reviewed by their authenticators. That is an issue. Why bring that kind of bad publicity when you don't have to.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

Ben,

You honestly see no issues with an auction company as prevalent as Heritage is in this hobby listing an obvious forgery before it has been looked at by authenticators?

The fact that they withdrew it was obvious enough, just like the items they had in the big Walter Johnson auction a few weeks back that Hauls of Shame discovered.

My only beef is that they are displaying items for auction/sale that have not been reviewed by their authenticators. That is an issue. Why bring that kind of bad publicity when you don't have to.

I guess that is their decision. They obviously missed it and have PSA AND JSA to look at it before it is sold. Would you honestly say that their "pre-certed" Mantles usually look like this??? I think it was a mistake and it would have been corrected whether Little Richard and Shelly jumped on them or not.

[jgmp123]

It was sent to them in the mail from a seller. When they opened the package and saw it, took photos, and loaded them to the site, they had the chance to not make the mistake. Once it's listed and pointed out as BAD, just like with the previous example when Hauls pointed out a bad item, it was pulled.

Don't let Scott see this and resurrect his green team signed Yankees ball from that auction...

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

It was sent to them in the mail from a seller. When they opened the package and saw it, took photos, and loaded them to the site, they had the chance to not make the mistake. Once it's listed and pointed out as BAD, just like with the previous example when Hauls pointed out a bad item, it was pulled.

What exactly is your point? Everyone is allowed to make mistakes(NASH, SHELLY, SIMON,,ECT) but not Heritage?? They even have a safety in place in PSA AND JSA.

[shelly]

Ben, really are a sweet guy. My opinion is as good as a thief from the Hall Of Fame that they hired. Funny you can try to insult people looking the way you do. {Ever consider a trainer?}By the by ask your friend DC which company does he disrespect more Heritage or CC?

That is the end of our conversation
Over and Out.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by shelly

Ben, really are a sweet guy. My opinion is as good as a thief from the Hall Of Fame that they hired. Funny you can try to insult people looking the way you do. {Ever consider a trainer?}By the by ask your friend DC which company does he disrespect more Heritage or CC?

That is the end of our conversation
Over and Out.

It IS funny isn't it??? The way both you and Richard attack day after day after day after day.

[jgmp123]

Besides David (their differences are well documented), who does Richard or Shelly attack?

[Leon]

I think Chris from Heritage explained the process quite well. The fact that some of our members either didn't read what he said, or can't comprehend it, is beside the point. Questions are being asked that have been answered already. Things get pulled from every single auction house that runs auctions, mine included. Mistakes happen and it's the way they are handled that counts the most (to me).

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by Leon

I think Chris from Heritage explained the process quite well. The fact that some of our members either didn't read what he said, or can't comprehend it, is beside the point. Questions are being asked that have been answered already. Things get pulled from every single auction house that runs auctions, mine included. Mistakes happen and it's the way they are handled that counts the most (to me).

Thank God for the voice of reason.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Leon

I think Chris from Heritage explained the process quite well. The fact that some of our members either didn't read what he said, or can't comprehend it, is beside the point. Questions are being asked that have been answered already. Things get pulled from every single auction house that runs auctions, mine included. Mistakes happen and it's the way they are handled that counts the most (to me).

Leon - you are correct, the way that it is handled is the important thing.
But they "pre-handle" it by saying the item is pre-certified and in the autograph business, as I have already stated, that means it has been looked at by someone with knowledge of autographs.
I have asked them to explain that, because it is pretty obvious to me that PSA and JSA did not look at the item in question. If they had looked at it, I am certain it would never have made it to the auction site. They both would have rejected that Florida trash in a heartbeat.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Leon

I think Chris from Heritage explained the process quite well. The fact that some of our members either didn't read what he said, or can't comprehend it, is beside the point. Questions are being asked that have been answered already. Things get pulled from every single auction house that runs auctions, mine included. Mistakes happen and it's the way they are handled that counts the most (to me).

it's not a mistake, they have explained it that they throw any piece of carp up there and psa or jsa eventually gets around to looking at it, in the meantime a forgery is up for bid. a mistake is putting something up you believe to be genuine and it is found out not to be. they arent even looking at it at all when it comes in and it gets put up for bids. it's not a mistake.

it used to say precertified psa and jsa auction loa until we forced them to take it down, and in their usual fashion, they thumbed their nose at the collector and only took the jsa or psa part down, leaving up the pre-certified. It's not precertified and that should come down as well, but try getting chris ivy to do anything pro-active and he will have a little hissy fit and kick his arms and legs like a 2 year old.

And then he can't come on here himself (i have never seen chris ivy come on here) and give an explanation, he sends jonathon or chris nerat to do his light work as he is too big and above it all to explain to us mere serfs and peasants or forum owners or whoever just what the heck they are doing over there in ivory tower number 1 in dallas texas.

if richard gets double banned, i hope i get triple.