Opinion on Ruth 1 of 1 Cut-Auto Card??

JimStinson · #1 03-20-2013, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Westsiders

This Leaf Masterpiece card was just listed on Ebay and is stated to be authenticated by either PSA and/or JSA (which I believe is also a requirement of Leaf for them to include the cut auto in a card).

I've been in the market for a Ruth auto for awhile, but am nowhere near an expert. To my untrained eye, the Ruth auto appears to be very slowly written (which is not common for the Ruth auto's I've seen).

My question is this: Is it likely that it was slowly written because Ruth signed it much later in life?

Trying to educate/protect myself as a consumer. Thanks.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Leaf-Ex...item4d0ac96268

Babe Ruth's signature was NEVER slowly written even later in life and when he was very sick, Except some signatures you begin to see in 1947 and 1948 that were ghost signed by his wife. And even they are not what I'd call slowly written , and Usually easily identifiable. The baseball displayed at the Hall of Fame as the "last Baseball Signed by Babe Ruth" is signed by his wife.

One of the last things he did before he died was take a trip throughout Florida with Claire he attended many public events and signed alot of autographs , I've seen things documented to have been signed during those events and they are ROBUST. Shortly after the trip he was re admited to the hospital where he died.
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daves_resale_shop · #2 03-20-2013, 07:09 AM

I think its interesting that these major companies are not (thoroughly) doing their due diligence prior to putting these products together... This is obviously the chase card that drive traffic at retail... This is obviously a very bad mark against the manufacturers reputation...

jgmp123 · #3 03-20-2013, 07:43 AM

Was this card an actual "chase" card or one of those Leaf promotions where you can send in your own item and pay like $45 to get it encased and labeled 1/1?

Westsiders · #4 03-20-2013, 09:34 AM

I don't believe this was a chase card....rather one of the $45 specials. But I've heard that Leaf does require authentication by only JSA or PSA...so I'm assuming it has been authenticated by one of the big boys (but you never know).

travrosty · #5 03-20-2013, 11:12 AM

agreed, they do require psa or jsa authentication, so it seems that either psa or jsa certified this piece of carp.

RichardSimon · #6 03-20-2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by travrosty

agreed, they do require psa or jsa authentication, so it seems that either psa or jsa certified this piece of carp.

I wrote to the seller and that is what he told me, either PSA or JSA authenticated this Ruth.
There is not even a dissenting opinion on the board as to whether this is good or bad.
Pretty amazing if it truly was authenticated by one of the alphabet companies.

jgmp123 · #7 03-20-2013, 12:28 PM

I would be interested to know the cert # to see if it even exists. Pretty easy to make up a fake cert...

canjond · #8 03-20-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by travrosty

agreed, they do require psa or jsa authentication, so it seems that either psa or jsa certified this piece of carp.

Or someone created a fake JSA or PSA cert, which is clearly the case here... Just look at the JSA cert pictured in the auction; the "Letter of Authenticity" font at the top is so clearly not the typeface JSA uses.

thetruthisoutthere · #9 03-20-2013, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by canjond

Or someone created a fake JSA or PSA cert, which is clearly the case here... Just look at the JSA cert pictured in the auction; the "Letter of Authenticity" font at the top is so clearly not the typeface JSA uses.

Anyone here (I do!!!) see anything interesting in the below photo?

BadRuth.jpg

thetruthisoutthere · #10 03-21-2013, 07:24 AM

The seller of this "1/1" Babe Ruth purchased this on EBay. Here is the link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Babe-Ruth-Ne...p2047675.l2557

ret-1.jpg

ret-2.jpg

GrayGhost · #11 03-21-2013, 08:12 AM

GREAT Detective work on that obvious poor Forgery, Chris Sir.

While looking at the listing , I had this one pop up...Is it real? IT MUST BE, because of all the goobledegook Spectral poop thingy...And Madison Towers is so prestegeous.

We would take the ad a bit more seriously, if he had spelled PRESTIGIOUS correctly.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/September-19...70987336648%26

RichardSimon · #12 03-21-2013, 08:51 AM

This Ruth autograph has been a scam from the beginning. A horrid autograph, a fake JSA cert, a sale to someone who admittedly knows nothing about autographs (I have corresponded with the recent seller) but had faith in a JSA cert which turns out to be bogus.
Just a total mess. Scammers, unknowing buyer, dopey Leaf crappy 1/1 to suck in collectors and fast buck guys, just a mess.

RichardSimon · #13 03-21-2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GrayGhost

GREAT Detective work on that obvious poor Forgery, Chris Sir.

While looking at the listing , I had this one pop up...Is it real? IT MUST BE, because of all the goobledegook Spectral poop thingy...And Madison Towers is so prestegeous.

We would take the ad a bit more seriously, if he had spelled PRESTIGIOUS correctly.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/September-19...70987336648%26

And the authenticator takes seven months!!!! to examine the item. SEVEN MONTHS,,,wow,,

travrosty · #14 03-21-2013, 09:49 AM

It's JSA's fault for not putting a photo up with the corresponding cert number.

no one could pass off this carp without jsa dropping the ball again and refusing to put up a picture in their database.

if jsa puts up a picture, then they cant use the fake cert without being caught in a lie. all someone would have to do is enter the cert number in jsa's database, and when the photo doesn't match, busted!

chaddurbin · #15 03-21-2013, 09:57 AM

bad boo boo by leaf. scammers seeing this will just send their fake crap and fake cert to leaf and get them slabbed. just another layer to legitimize the forgery and buffer themselves.

Westsiders · #16 03-20-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JimStinson

Babe Ruth's signature was NEVER slowly written even later in life and when he was very sick, Except some signatures you begin to see in 1947 and 1948 that were ghost signed by his wife. And even they are not what I'd call slowly written , and Usually easily identifiable. The baseball displayed at the Hall of Fame as the "last Baseball Signed by Babe Ruth" is signed by his wife.

One of the last things he did before he died was take a trip throughout Florida with Claire he attended many public events and signed alot of autographs , I've seen things documented to have been signed during those events and they are ROBUST. Shortly after the trip he was re admited to the hospital where he died.
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Appreciate the information. I've never come across a Ruth so sloooowly written. Thought maybe I was missing something obvious.

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