April 13, the day autographs stand still !!!!

[Deertick]

On a completely unrelated topic, is O.C.D. terminal?

[RichardSimon]

Do you get a discount for having to use the B,C or D team?
After all you are not getting Jimmy for your money if you use those others.

[packs]

I just don't understand these posts and to be honest its really annoying to keep seeing them. What is your end game? What do you hope to accomplish? Is it that you want JSA and PSA to go out of business? Then what? You want collectors to submit items only to authenticators you've hand picked? Doesn't that create the same conflict of interest you're rallying against? Even with authenticators you've decided are good at what they do, won't there still be mistakes? Won't the business get too big for them to personally oversee every item? What then? Are you going to launch similar attacks on them in an attempt to drive them out of business? Then what?


Enough already. I can't be the only who gets frustrated with these posts.

[jgmp123]

I just avoid the majority of posts here anymore...

[packs]

I just can't stand it anymore. How do you perceive yourself and and what you're doing, and how do you perceive the way other people feel about your posts?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by packs

I just can't stand it anymore. How do you perceive yourself and and what you're doing, and how do you perceive the way other people feel about your posts?

Narcissists don't care what others think or how they feel. You aren't the only one that gets tired of it. I am just glad I don't collect autographs and have to put up with this. I have to be honest, I wouldn't. We might get to the point where I have almost never gotten, and that is to squelch it. No forum on this board should be completely taken over by one person and make it unbearable for everyone else. Just my opinion.

[packs]

I'm in complete agreement with you. I don't care how experienced anyone is in anything. If they can't be around people who share their passion without alienating them, then who CAN they be around? Like I said I'm fed up and I'm not trying to insult anyone. I just can't believe that I can't enjoy an autograph forum amongst the most experienced collectors in the country because one guy can't help himself. It's beyond frustrating.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Leon

Narcissists don't care what others think or how they feel. You aren't the only one that gets tired of it. I am just glad I don't collect autographs and have to put up with this. I have to be honest, I wouldn't. We might get to the point where I have almost never gotten, and that is to squelch it. No forum on this board should be completely taken over by one person and make it unbearable for everyone else. Just my opinion.

I agree and would add that we are at that point already. I know several autograph collectors who are members here and who simply ignore the forum because of the invective-laden threads and personal insults.

[prewarsports]

I am NOT an authentication guys as I certify my own items and guarantee them for life. However, when I have an item that needs to have certification beyond what I already know (that its real) I send things to Jimmy Spence maybe 4-5 times a year. While I see the point that having authenticators at different locations might be problematic, they do all have computers with internet access so if there is a question on an autograph at one location, I think it would be ignorant to think they are not sending scans back and forth and sharing their opinions. Now of course you would want the most educated person to have it in hand, but we on the forum use scans all the time to judge a signature and as long as someone is looking at the item in person and they are communicating among themselves and sharing scans I really dont see that much of a problem with it. I am not condoning it, just dont really see the big issue with it. Just my opinion.

Rhys Yeakley

[packs]

If I went on the card side and posted day after day a thousand posts about how annoyed I am that X card got X grade people would be telling me to give it a rest too. It would never play over there. Why should it be different over here.

I hear you about the ignore feature. But can't we express how these kinds of posts and the excessive number of them bother us too? It's not that I have thin skin. I'm just looking to enjoy the Board and feel educated by posts. Right now I feel like every time I visit this sub-forum I'm Charlie Brown and some trumpet is blowing in my ear.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by packs

If I went on the card side and posted day after about how annoyed I am that X card got X grade people would be telling me to give it a rest too. And they would be in the right to do so. Add in some personal attacks on the people behind the companies. It would never play over there. Why should it be different over here.

I hear you about the ignore feature. But can't we express how these kinds of psot bother us too? It's not that I have thin skin. I'm just looking to enjoy the Board and feel educated by posts. Right now I feel like I'm being lectured day in day out.

It is a fine line about moderating. It's kind of like porn . I can't really define it but I know when something needs to be done about it. My MO has always been to have as open of a forum as possible as long as folks put their name by their posts. It will continue that way too. I will politely ask Travis (hi Travis) to tone it down a bit.....and if it gets out of hand I will PM him to chat about it. As far as outing bad things in the hobby, that is what the board is partly for. I hope it continues.

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by packs

I just can't stand it anymore. How do you perceive yourself and and what you're doing, and how do you perceive the way other people feel about your posts?

I call BS on that.

[packs]

That's fine. I haven't said anything personal about anyone. I have only talked about the content of the forum and how tiring it can get.

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by Deertick

On a completely unrelated topic, is O.C.D. terminal?

Apparently not, though it does seem to lead to crippling paranoia.

[packs]

n/m

[Mr. Zipper]

If I could shed a little light for those who care about accuracy.

It is my understanding that JSA does not issue LOAs on the spot for high value/risk items, which require a LOA as no lower level of service is available. The item is examined on-site to ensure it is a live signature, date the medium, it is photographed and then it is returned to the owner.

Later, a number of JSA authenticators and consultants review the item to determine authenticity. The submitter receives his or her LOA or rejection letter in the mail a week or two later.

To my knowledge, Jimmy and the senior authenticators all review high value items. So the notion that someone can slide a Babe Ruth by JSA with only one person seeing it at an on-site visit is a fallacy.

Note that this is my impression of how it works and I am not officially speaking for JSA.