T206 production/printing questions/comments

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Plus, there are cards that have a WST from a different brand on the front than is on the back-even from different factories. This is why I say-* don't take any of this as fact* because, it's not.

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Sincerely, Clayton

Those aren't WST's during production - those are from collectors.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Those aren't WST's during production - those are from collectors.

Not saying they are or aren't- but, I think a board member tried to do a WST as an experiment and had no luck (Steve?) using moisture and pressure. Maybe one could do it with chemicals, but why bother? There's no huge mark up for a WST.

Sincerely, Clayton

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Not saying they are or aren't- but, I think a board member tried to do a WST as an experiment and had no luck (Steve?) using moisture and pressure. Maybe one could do it with chemicals, but why bother? There's no huge mark up for a WST.

Sincerely, Clayton

You waited 100 years for his experiment to end?

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Runscott

You waited 100 years for his experiment to end?

I don't think I'll be able to know what waiting 100 years for anything will feel like

But seriously, I can't say for certain how or when WST's happened- I'm not sure about the moist environment/ compression over years thing....I think if that were the case soaking cards would release some of the ink. But rather than focus on WST's, I'd like to really figure out exactly what was being printed at the tobacco factories. And, I'm more focused on finding out if the packaging (in some cases) were printed at the factories more than if the backs were. I'm ok with the ALC printing the fronts and the backs, as I can't find proof that they weren't.

But, I've found a link that I posted which states that tobacco factories were printing packaging material, and there's another post in this thread that refers to printing equiptment in the tobacco factories. I don't think this is too far fetched.

So,,,,,could that Piedmont sheet of uncut packs have been printed at the tobaccco factory?

Sincerely, Clayton

[steve B]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Not saying they are or aren't- but, I think a board member tried to do a WST as an experiment and had no luck (Steve?) using moisture and pressure. Maybe one could do it with chemicals, but why bother? There's no huge mark up for a WST.

Sincerely, Clayton

Yep, that was me. Soaking wet card wrapped in paper and clamped in a vise for a couple weeks.

I wasn't expecting water to do anything. The inks are oil based so water really shouldn't have any effect whatsoever.

I'll eventually escalate to alcohol, then an oil based solvent. One of those should produce a result.

And if Alcohol works it means the inks were based on a non-petroleum oil like linseed oil or shellac. And those sometimes won't truly harden in over a century. See the stamp card proof that left an offset over a century after printing that I posted.

Pressure and vibration may do it, but I don't have the ability to test that. I could maybe build a machine, but that's got a bit of expense and effort. If someone wants to fund it I'd be open to discussing it.



I'd still like to see more specific info on which factories were printing what. It would be interesting as its own information.

Steev B