Babe Ruth?

slidekellyslide · #1 04-08-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jgmp123

Condition is one of the primariy reasons, mainly because of the story and who held the ticket. It wasn't held by a collector per se. The idea that this thing was placed directly into a case and put in a safe for 20 years is not believable to me.
That coupled with the info Scott has provided and other examples I have come across in the past...it just doesn't add up.

Sometimes you need to go with your gut and my gut is telling me no.

I would love to believe it's real and would love to see it be real, I just can't believe it.

I'm pretty sure that none of my ticket stubs in my collection were held by collectors...most of them (all of them?) came from people who went to the games, kept a few programs as mementos and stuck them inside the program that was put in a drawer, on a bookshelf or a box for 40+ years. Like I said, people aren't trading, flipping or organizing ticket stubs like they do ball cards. And I'm not so sure it's hard to believe someone would treasure a Babe Ruth autograph enough to keep it in good shape.

A ticket stub from 1947...nearly pristine, from the first ever Lincoln A's game.

As far as it being an "emergency" ticket I'm not so sure that's hard to believe either. It was the middle of the Great Depression...ball clubs didn't print a ticket for every single seat. It's not hard to believe the Tigers thought they better print up a few extra tickets for the possibility that Ruth might hit his 700th homer while in town.

jgmp123 · #2 04-08-2013, 10:14 AM

Couldn't he have gotten the 700 HR the day before? or 2 days before? or day after?

Dan,

I am relying on my own instinct. All I got for ya man...

slidekellyslide · #3 04-08-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jgmp123

Couldn't he have gotten the 700 HR the day before? or 2 days before? or day after?

Dan,

I am relying on my own instinct. All I got for ya man...

I would guess they printed up emergency tickets for the series.

jgmp123 · #4 04-08-2013, 10:49 AM

Dan,

Like I have said...I would love for it to be authentic just to know that one exists. I hope I am wrong.

But at the same time, the stub is now at $4k...knowing what you know/see/have read here, would you be comfortable buying it?

slidekellyslide · #5 04-08-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jgmp123

Dan,

Like I have said...I would love for it to be authentic just to know that one exists. I hope I am wrong.

But at the same time, the stub is now at $4k...knowing what you know/see/have read here, would you be comfortable buying it?

I have seen NOTHING in this thread that leads me to believe the autograph is not authentic. The ONLY thing we have is Chris saying that it is not good which leads to a domino effect of others who respect his opinion agreeing with it. He has not shared one shred of evidence that this is a forgery. He claims it is no good in his second post on this thread..the same day he started the thread yet later claims he is still doing research on it. He had no idea it was certed by JSA, and he seems to recall it being rejected by PSA (although I'm not sure how he can recall something like that unless he actually works at PSA...does PSA have public records of rejected autographs?). He apparently believes that Heritage rejected the autograph, the consignor disagrees with that assessment.

Why am I supposed to take Chris's word over JSA? If this was on ebay with the JSA letter would the EMR team boot it?

I know if I were the consignor I'd be pretty pissed off about this thread.

David Atkatz · #6 04-08-2013, 11:27 AM

And, not a shred of evidence has been presented supporting the claim that the ticket itself is bad. Nothing but a "gut feeling" based on sharp corners.

Post #50 in this thread pictures an auction lot of (older) Detroit tickets, some overprinted, none representing an important game (so that the ticket would have been carefully preserved), and yet all are near mint, with sharp corners.

slidekellyslide · #7 04-08-2013, 11:32 AM

Ordinary ticket stubs from 1954...all sharp corners.

jgmp123 · #8 04-08-2013, 11:34 AM

Right I get all of that and Chris and I went back and forth about that, but the question is.....

David/Dan,

Would you buy it?

Runscott · #9 04-08-2013, 11:36 AM

I used to save every ticket to every sports event I went to. Each was tossed in a box. I take a look at them every now and then when I'm looking for a particular ticket, but I haven't taken special care of them. Some are over thirty years old - all look basically brand new. Tickets hold up fairly well.

Also, some have a rough edge where they were torn at the gate. I had an urge at one point to cut off the rough edge on a few of them, but resisted. Perhaps the holder of this ticket couldn't resist?

As far as autograph authenticity - I have no idea. But I do know what Chris' opinion was on the green-ink '27 Yankees ball, so, with all respect to Chris, as anyone can make a mistake and this autograph could certainly be bad, just having Chris say it's bad isn't enough.

rscheck · #10 04-08-2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I have seen NOTHING in this thread that leads me to believe the autograph is not authentic. The ONLY thing we have is Chris saying that it is not good which leads to a domino effect of others who respect his opinion agreeing with it. He has not shared one shred of evidence that this is a forgery. He claims it is no good in his second post on this thread..the same day he started the thread yet later claims he is still doing research on it. He had no idea it was certed by JSA, and he seems to recall it being rejected by PSA (although I'm not sure how he can recall something like that unless he actually works at PSA...does PSA have public records of rejected autographs?). He apparently believes that Heritage rejected the autograph, the consignor disagrees with that assessment.

Why am I supposed to take Chris's word over JSA? If this was on ebay with the JSA letter would the EMR team boot it?

Pissed? Nah just confused why you guys call this a hobby

I have an email from Rob Rosen on 1/3/13 asking for photos of the ticket and signature (which I sent on the same day) and an email from Rob Rosen on 1/7/13 asking for my address so he can mail me the contract. I had made the decision to go with H&S on 1/4 based on my conversations with Josh. If seeing copies of these emails helps please let me know and I can attach them.

JT · #11 04-08-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jgmp123

Dan,

Like I have said...I would love for it to be authentic just to know that one exists. I hope I am wrong.

But at the same time, the stub is now at $4k...knowing what you know/see/have read here, would you be comfortable buying it?

I haven't seen anything here that disproves the authenticity of the ticket or the autograph, nor even anything that casts doubt on the authenticity, and thus if I could afford it, I would be bidding too.

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