Commy Comiskey 1887 Old Judge PSA 2 (MK)

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Sean

I read another good book on the scandal about 15 years ago: Shoeless Joe and Ragtime Baseball. The author apologized way too much for Joe's actions, but it included a copy of Joe's grand jury testimony.
Joe was asked by the D.A. whether he hit, fielded, ran the bases, etc. with the intent to win at all times, and each time Joe answered that yes, he did.
About 5 pages later Joe was asked if he took part in a meeting with gamblers in which throwing the Series was discussed. Joe replied that he did. He was asked if he was promised money to throw the Series. Joe said that he was promised $10,000, but that he only received $5000. "We got the screw" was his exact quote.
Jackson appeared to believe he hadn't done anything wrong because, although he took the bribe and conspired to lose, he had actually played to win, making him either really dumb or really naive IMHO.

I am familiar with the book you mentioned. I have not read it, but that was one of the choices I looked at when I was looking for a Shoeless Joe book. I ultimately went with the book I did because the reviews talked continually about how the David Fleitz book goes down a far different road than Eight Men Out or Field of Dreams in that it doesn't paint Shoeless Joe as a saint or a martyr, but provides a lot more balanced profile of the man's positives and negatives.

One of the points the Fleitz book really drove home was that Shoeless Joe may have been an illiterate country boy, but he definitely understood what money was and was motivated by such a fact. The grand jury testimony of Jackson that susbsequently disappeared always seems very damning. A lot of Shoeless Joe books and movies simply gloss over that fact.

[Zone91]

bn2cardz

Yes because they say he was a so so ball player with a batting average of only .264 and 1530 hits....to me that does not seem like much compared to say a modern player like Derek Jeter with over 3000 hits and a much better bating average. I was just wondering.

[Zone91]

So is a batting average of .264 and 1530 hits good stats for players back in his day? I may be wrong when comparing to today's players.

Or is he better known because of the 1919 scandal?

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Zone91

So is a batting average of .264 and 1530 hits good stats for players back in his day? I may be wrong when comparing to today's players.

Or is he better known because of the 1919 scandal?

He is most known for the 1919 Black Sox scandal, and that permanently tarnished his image. But he is in the HoF because he also had 10 years as a manager and 30 years as an owner. Between his playing career, managing and owning, he had 50 years in the game. Only a handful of people can say that.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Zone91

bn2cardz

Yes because they say he was a so so ball player with a batting average of only .264 and 1530 hits....to me that does not seem like much compared to say a modern player like Derek Jeter with over 3000 hits and a much better bating average. I was just wondering.

Originally Posted by Zone91

So is a batting average of .264 and 1530 hits good stats for players back in his day? I may be wrong when comparing to today's players.

Or is he better known because of the 1919 scandal?

I am sorry but there is so much information that can be found about the history of the game that it seems lazy to just come here and ask if such an influential person in MLB history is worth more than an average person.

It is like asking about Connie Mack's cards values or why Branch Rickey's Cracker Jack card is worth more.

http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/8fbc6b31

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Zone91

bn2cardz

and a much better bating average.

I'd say your bating average is growing with every post.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I'd say your bating average is growing with every post.

You overestimate, I am sure....

[Zone91]

Leon

I kept the same figures....Thanks guys appreciate the input on this player...50 years in a career anywhere is a big thing so now I understand why he is a hall of fame player.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Leon

I kept the same figures....Thanks guys appreciate the input on this player...50 years in a career anywhere is a big thing so now I understand why he is a hall of fame player.

He wasn't inducted as a player, he was as an executive/pioneer. Not meant to shove you down, I just don't know if you have read into it that much as to his induction.

[Zone91]

HOF Auto Rookies

No I have yet to get there in my reading I just started Cap Anson's book called

''The Grand Old Man Of Baseball''

I have just found a book about Comiskey on amazon and will go ahead and buy it.

I will then read about Hugh Duffy...just purchased his book called ''The Heavenly Twins of Boston Baseball: A Dual Biography of Hugh Duffy and Tommy McCarthy''.

Any how I am glad I now own this card (Comiskey 1887 Old Judge) he seems to be a big deal in baseball and that makes it all the more fun to own this card...and piece of baseball history (A gift from my brother I found out yesterday).

[Matthew H]

Comiskey's Old Judge cards don't seem to be as popular as some other HOFers. There seems to be plenty of them available, by OJ standards. I also don't know of any specific Comiskey collectors, although I'm sure they're out there... He doesn't seem to be one of the more popular HOFers to collect, regardless of his contribution to the game. With that being said, the price seemed about right for a faded, not so widely collected player. It was definitely more than I would pay for that particular example.

[Zone91]

Matthew H

I know the EXACT same card sold for 1050$ in 2009 same MK.

Link:

http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/gm...791&grade=auth


That is what I was wondering if the new buyer got a really good deal or did the previous buyer know a lot more about this player and appreciated him more...I guess the answer would most likely be yes. Any how I was wondering why such a price change on the very same card.

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Matthew H

I know the EXACT same card sold for 1050$ in 2009 same MK.

Link:

http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/gm...791&grade=auth


That is what I was wondering if the new buyer got a really good deal or did the previous buyer know a lot more about this player and appreciated him more...I guess the answer would most likely be yes. Any how I was wondering why such a price change on the very same card.

It's hard to judge a cards value based on a BIN. Like you've probably already read, anyone can ask whatever they want for something, and there might even be someone willing to pay that much, will it ever happen again? Who knows.

As far as the buyer just being more appreciative of Comiskey than others... I doubt it, since he no longer owns the card.

[Zone91]

Matthew H

True that had not crossed my mind.

[Zone91]

Well so seems that my brother actually purchased the card for me as a gift...I am lucky to have a brother like him!!! Looking forward to seen the card in person.

It was my ultra late Christmas gift...lolllll. I was talking to him about the card about a week ago and he decided to jump the gun and pick it up for my collection.

He was either going to buy this one or the Hugh Duffy...glad he chose this one because for 500$ the Hugh Duffy looks really bad.

Duffy link:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/261098390264?...84.m1423.l2649

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Well so seems that my brother actually purchased the card for me as a gift...I am lucky to have a brother like him!!! Looking forward to seen the card in person.

It was my ultra late Christmas gift...lolllll. I was talking to him about the card about a week ago and he decided to jump the gun and pick it up for my collection.

He was either going to buy this one or the Hugh Duffy...glad he chose this one because for 500$ the Hugh Duffy looks really bad.

That is pretty cool. I wish I had a sibling that would buy me a HOF Old Judge card.