New '52 Mantle Forgery...This one is clever

[RobertGT]

Reported.

Let us know what the seller has to say about his fake - if he knows it's a fake.

[Brianruns10]

Originally Posted by RobertGT

Reported.

Let us know what the seller has to say about his fake - if he knows it's a fake.

Still no reply from him. The really bad thing about this auction, is the seller is a legit collector. Usually these Mantles are being peddled by local yokels dealing in NASCAR memorabilia and crap no older than the mid 90s. It's a big red flag because it's clear these fellows have no experience in handling quality vintage. However this new fellow deals in coins and vintage cards. I suspect he got had by the forgery, which is really quite good, much better than the ones making the rounds in 2012.

Just goes to show, you gotta buy the card, not the plastic. Every major purchase I make, I research beforehand. When I collected coins, I got to where I could ID a coin's date and where it was made just by the reverse side. I wasn't gonna get burned because I was ignorant.

[nsaddict]

The seller purchased this card in January for 9K

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...p2047675.l2557

[Brianruns10]

Originally Posted by nsaddict

The seller purchased this card in January for 9K

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...p2047675.l2557

Oh good god. The man got taken for a hell of a ride. You don't suppose he probably knows he got burned, and is passing it along to some poor schmuck? I wish there was a way to warn all those poor bidders.

And it is even more obvious in those photos that this item has been tampered with. You can see the frosting on both sides of the PSA holder!

[Cardboard Junkie]

"Poof!" Gone.....good job fellas! Dave.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Brianruns10

Oh good god. The man got taken for a hell of a ride. You don't suppose he probably knows he got burned, and is passing it along to some poor schmuck? I wish there was a way to warn all those poor bidders.

And it is even more obvious in those photos that this item has been tampered with. You can see the frosting on both sides of the PSA holder!

He must not have figured out that what he bought was a fake/tampered with until at least 45 days after his purchase, as he had 45 days to return through ebay in order to receive a full refund

[Bestdj777]

Does anyone see any indication that this slab was cracked? Trying to figure out how they are getting these things into slabs.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

Does anyone see any indication that this slab was cracked? Trying to figure out how they are getting these things into slabs.

In the images from the original ebay sale back in Jan, there is frosting visible along the edge of the case's frame ....usually a good indicator of tampering

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

He must not have figured out that what he bought was a fake/tampered with until at least 45 days after his purchase, as he had 45 days to return through ebay in order to receive a full refund

The buyer also left positive feedback following the transaction: "All went well. Nicely packaged. thanks"

[the 'stache]

Going back to what brianruns10 said in post #7 about the typical sellers of this card, look at the original seller for this card from back in January. A 103 buyer rating, and he's only had one other sale in the last twelve months, a SLR camera. He doesn't even have a seller rating yet. Yet now we're to believe he's got the most desired post war baseball card in existence, and it's an almost perfectly centered specimen? Even before an examination of the card, that wouldn't pass the smell test.

And not only is there frosting all around the slab, but it looks like one of the pegs has been popped as well. Look at the one below the lower left hand corner of the flip. Compare it to the one on the opposite side.

I also agree that the typography looks off; the font size is a little to large.

[Brianruns10]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Going back to what brianruns10 said in post #7 about the typical sellers of this card, look at the original seller for this card from back in January. A 103 buyer rating, and he's only had one other sale in the last twelve months, a SLR camera. He doesn't even have a seller rating yet. Yet now we're to believe he's got the most desired post war baseball card in existence, and it's an almost perfectly centered specimen? Even before an examination of the card, that wouldn't pass the smell test.

And not only is there frosting all around the slab, but it looks like one of the pegs has been popped as well. Look at the one below the lower left hand corner of the flip. Compare it to the one on the opposite side.

I also agree that the typography looks off; the font size is a little to large.

The fellow trying to sell it, who bought it from that suspect dealer, really should've known better, as a collector and a dealer in vintage cards.

As the saying goes, buy the card, not the plastic. If people only knew the quantitative and qualitative diagnostics for the '52 Mantle, these forgeries would never sell.