Toploaders?

[Exhibitman]

I use Card Savers. The problem with top loaders is that I tend to crimp or crease the tops of the cards when I pick up the holder or shuffle through a bunch of them in a box. Plus, I tend to rip my cuticles on the edges and blood on cards never comes out.

[steve B]

I use sleeves and toploaders.

I find cardsavers have a lot of problems.

Removing the card is risky, I've creased a couple cheap ones. Expensive ones I cut out of the cardsaver

They don't fit any of the boxes I use. I don't know where the poster who says they fit all the standard boxes gets his boxes from, but in shoebox boxes the cardsavers are too tall, and they don't fit the 4 row 3200 count at all. (And toploaders don't fit the new ones)

They're flexible, which is a problem in shipping. I'd rather have a stiff holder with a sleeve and tape than what's basically a fancy penny sleeve.

I don't find either to be heavy. I think a boxful of cards in toploaders would probably be lighter than a box full of cards in cardsavers. Mostly because there's more empty space.

I've sent cards to SGC in toploaders with no problem. It sure beats scavenging the house for leftover cardsavers that Ebay buys arrived in.


Steve B

[kilo]

I think a boxful of cards in toploaders would probably be lighter than a box full of cards in cardsavers.

only because you can fit more cardsaver'd cards in said box, provided the boxes are identical in size and shape. the arguement isnt for the amount of space, but for the same number of cards in said space...20 cards in cardsavers is inherently lighter than those same cards in toploaders/penny sleeves, the latter just plain has more material equalling more weight.

having said all that, i still prefer my own raw collection in top-loaders, but use 'savers' for my submissions.

[RobertGT]

Originally Posted by steve B

I use sleeves and toploaders.

I don't know where the poster who says they fit all the standard boxes gets his boxes from, but in shoebox boxes the cardsavers are too tall, and they don't fit the 4 row 3200 count at all.

Steve B

Should be available in any typical hobby card store:

[Paul S]

Rob, should be available but is not, as far as I can find, here on Long Island. Sounds like Steve has the same problem in his area. I think those of us east of the Delaware Water Gap are being deprived! The few cards I have in Savers I place horizontal in the box. Whenever I want to remove a card from a Saver I have to fuss with it.
BTW, sharp lookin' 68s.

[steve B]

Is that a deep 3 row box? I have a couple 3 row boxes, but none of the cardsavers I've ever had fits those either. The cardsavers are taller than the box.

I'm not a big fan of the 3 row boxes, since they don't fit any of the shelves I have. But I tried a couple when the 4 row boxes came out that don't fit toploaders.

I even tried the 6 row "super shoebox" a few years ago. Not bad, but they didn't last long.


Steve B

[RobertGT]

Originally Posted by steve B

Is that a deep 3 row box? I have a couple 3 row boxes, but none of the cardsavers I've ever had fits those either. The cardsavers are taller than the box.

I'm not a big fan of the 3 row boxes, since they don't fit any of the shelves I have. But I tried a couple when the 4 row boxes came out that don't fit toploaders.

I even tried the 6 row "super shoebox" a few years ago. Not bad, but they didn't last long.


Steve B

Is is just a three-row shoebox used for normal card storage. I think I dumped some raw cards out of it and converted it into storage for 68 commons. Maybe you are using Card Saver Is? (They don't fit anywhere). I use Card Saver IIs for storage and that is what you see in the picture. They come right up to the top of the box but do not extend beyond the lip of the box. So you can put weight/other boxes on top of it without having to worry about damaging the cards.

They do get heavy - but the tradeoff is you have many more cards in there than you would if you filled the same space with top loaders.

But to each their own - everyone has their own preference and that's great. For years I was an exclusive top loader guy and much of my collection is still in them. Just recently I have been making the conversion to Card Savers for all the aforementioned reasons.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by RobertGT

Is is just a three-row shoebox used for normal card storage. I think I dumped some raw cards out of it and converted it into storage for 68 commons. Maybe you are using Card Saver Is? (They don't fit anywhere). I use Card Saver IIs for storage and that is what you see in the picture. They come right up to the top of the box but do not extend beyond the lip of the box. So you can put weight/other boxes on top of it without having to worry about damaging the cards.

They do get heavy - but the tradeoff is you have many more cards in there than you would if you filled the same space with top loaders.

But to each their own - everyone has their own preference and that's great. For years I was an exclusive top loader guy and much of my collection is still in them. Just recently I have been making the conversion to Card Savers for all the aforementioned reasons.

I wonder if I've never gotten a cardsaverII? Weird since I have almost 40 years worth of different pages and holders. Probably a good percentage of everything that's come out since about 1974. I've got maybe 6-7 different sorts of cardsaver-like holders. I'll have to check which ones I have that were too tall but narrow enough for the shoebox box.

The best/worst combination so far is a Mylar sleeve inside a toploader. Stiff and the mylar is a great archival material. Terrible since the mylar is smooth enough that it displaces enough air between itself and the toploader that it can't be removed. (Like wringing two guage blocks together for the machinists in the group) Damaged a card trying to get it out and still had to cut the holders.

Steve B

[bsuttonosu]

Originally Posted by RobertGT

Maybe you are using Card Saver Is? (They don't fit anywhere).

I believe the Card Saver 1s are the same size as the Ultra Pro graded card submission semi-regids. I use the Ultra Pro version for lots of my card storage and they fit perfectly in BCW vault boxes for graded cards. The nice thing about the vault boxes is you can have your less valuable cards in the semi-rigids to save space and your key cards graded and all fit in the same vault box. The regular size/smaller vault box fits the Card Saver 2 size and fits top loaders with team bags over them, which many multi row boxes don't. I always put team bags over my top loaders so I'm a big vault box fan.

I use the larger semi-rigids so that I can put the cards in a penny sleeve. I've never gotten a good answer on whether or not the semi-rigids, Ultra Pro or Card Saver, are acid free so I don't trust it.