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Ty Cobb |
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100 | 18.69% |
Honus Wagner |
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21 | 3.93% |
Rogers Hornsby |
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3 | 0.56% |
Joe Jackson |
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3 | 0.56% |
Lou Gehrig |
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16 | 2.99% |
Josh Gibson |
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9 | 1.68% |
Babe Ruth |
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355 | 66.36% |
Frank Baker |
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2 | 0.37% |
Walter Johnson |
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7 | 1.31% |
None of the above |
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22 | 4.11% |
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For those people who say Young is the best fail to realize that not even his peers / baseball voters thought he was that good with receiving 76% in the HOF vote. If you throw out Young's 511 wins (which he pitched the most innings / started the most games and completed the most games) he wasn't better than Matty or Johnson of that era. He averaged 111 k's per season (I realize it's the dead ball era), but he never had more than 210 which Johnson topping 300 twice. Johnson pitched for a far worse team and had a lower era / more shut outs / more k's / over 2,000 less hits allowed. He is the Pete Rose of the dead ball era of someone that was good, but his numbers are more of a factor that he pitched more than anyone, than the fact that he was dominate.
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He also pitched for better teams than Johnson did. |
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I agree, I think WaJo is the unparalelled pitcher of his era, and all who'd come before him. I'm a big Matty fan and collector, but I also don't think he really compares with WaJo's sheer power. All are amazing, Matty/Alexander's numbers are incredible, and Young's durability and WHIP's are nuts.. but WaJo struck out lots of guys in an era when batters rarely struck out. Imagine striking out 300+ when everyone you're facing has strikeout rates like Tony Gwynn or Ichiro
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% of ballots on first ever HOF vote in 1936:
Cobb 98.2% Ruth 95.1% Wagner 95.1% Matty 90.7% WoJo 83.6% Today, many say Ruth is the clear-cut best ever. 80 years ago, the voters didn't see it that way. |
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Again, I must ask, why in the world is Homerun Baker listed in the poll? For that matter, if there were 50 players listed, why would he be one of them??
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153 Andruw Jones 154 Frank Baker 155 David Cone 156 Joe Jackson |
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I don't see how anyone could not answer Babe Ruth. It doesn't matter how the sports writers voted. There has only been one player in the history of the game to single handedly outhit an entire league. That player is Babe Ruth.
As talented and great as Cobb was, he didn't change the game. He only did things better than the players around him. But Ruth did change the game, and every player after him has been trying to live up to what he did. Last edited by packs; 04-19-2013 at 03:25 PM. |
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More than most on the list, Ruth benefited from the end of the dead ball era. Considering that Wagner and Cobb played most of thier career when conditions were harder for batters and they have greater all around stats/skills... Cobb and Wagner are clearly ahead of Cobb. I know the modern romanticism is all about Ruth...but that doesn't make him the best. For me, the list goes Cobb, Wagner then Ruth.
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I understand why he may seem out of place. As for answering your question, please see the posts below. Best Regards, Eric Quote:
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Per my earlier post, I think the bias of some writers may have affected this HOF vote.. Ruth and his style of hitting were the biggest jolt the game had ever seen (and has ever seen since). After Ruth, offense became more of a station to station, wait for the 3 run HR style of play, which was an affront to those who'd loved the strategic bunt, steal, squeeze style of small ball that preceded him. Ruth broke the HR record 4 times! and won only 1 MVP. I've gotta think there was some old school writer's bias there.
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Adding: especially given every writer over age 35 probably spent their formative years following, even idolizing players of the dead ball era. I know I met the mid-90's with a lot of hesitancy because the game seemed to change over night Last edited by itjclarke; 04-19-2013 at 04:05 PM. Reason: To add |
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As to think who you guys think is the better player. Please don't take the time to look up the stats to find who is who, just look at make your decision.
Player A: Games: 3298, PA: 13941, AB: 12364, Avg: .305, OBP: 374, SLG: .555, OPS: .928, Runs: 2174, Hits: 3771, 2B: 624, 3B: 98, RBI’s: 2297, SB: 240, SO: 1383 Player B: Games: 2986, PA: 12606, AB: 9847, Avg: 298, OBP: .444, SLG: .607, OPS: 1.051, Runs: 2227, Hits: 2935, 2B: 601, 3B: 77, RBI’s: 1996, SB: 514, SO: 1539 Player C: Games: 2509, PA: 10622, AB: 8399, Avg: .342, OBP: .474, SLG: .690, OPS: 1.164, Runs: 2174, Hits: 2873, 2B: 506, 3B: 136, RBI’s: 2220, BB: 2062, SO: 1330 Player D: Games: 2992, PA: 12496, AB: 10881, Avg: .302, OBP: .384, SLG: .557, OPS: .941, Runs: 2062, Hits: 3283, 2B: 523, 3B: 140, RBI’s: 1903, SB: 338, SO: 1526
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Where is Mantle?
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I would think Player C is the best of the group.
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Without fielding stats, though, Player D might not be represented fairly. Both of them changed the game. One made previously unthinkable hitting a reality. The other made previously unthinkable fielding a reality...and, when adding 660 HR to the stats provided for Player D, he's certainly no slouch. |
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Player A does have a better average of getting the ball in play with a SO every 10 PA and every 9AB. Whereas player C had the worse SO ratio to PA and ABs. So it really depends on what you consider makes someone a better player at the plate. Since RBIs and Runs has a lot to do with who batted in front and behind the player and Average can do a lot with how good the corresponding defense was then the one thing that is dependent on the batter is getting the ball in play I would say player A had the advantage. Also player A has the longer career stamina having played nearly 306 more games then the next longest career. So even though the straight forward stat of career OPS and AVG wouldn't show it, digging deeper into the career stats I would say player A as the advantage. Last edited by bn2cardz; 04-19-2013 at 09:25 PM. |
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