Anyone know what these cards are?

bcbgcbrcb · #1 04-24-2013, 09:54 AM

I know, Adam, every time I post something on Net 54 involving a controversial topic, you always take the con side to my point of view. I don't even mean 99% of the time but instead, 100%. At this point, I have to think that it is something personal that you have against me (don't know what or why). It's too bad, I used to have a lot of respect for you, especially your knowledge about baseball exhibit cards of the '20's & '30's.

I know more than a little bit about Negro League Baseball material and would not make a definitive statement if I was unsure about an item.

Hankphenom · #2 04-24-2013, 10:20 AM

Here's what I'm talking about, only had to go back two days in eBay completed listings to find this one. I've seen many negro league teams done this way, and the "cards" in question have this same look. I'm guessing one person has been doing all of them.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-KANS...p2047675.l2557

Runscott · #3 04-24-2013, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

I know, Adam, every time I post something on Net 54 involving a controversial topic, you always take the con side to my point of view. I don't even mean 99% of the time but instead, 100%. At this point, I have to think that it is something personal that you have against me (don't know what or why). It's too bad, I used to have a lot of respect for you, especially your knowledge about baseball exhibit cards of the '20's & '30's.

I know more than a little bit about Negro League Baseball material and would not make a definitive statement if I was unsure about an item.

Phil, this is about 'eye', not about expertise in Negro League stuff.

As I already said (and was, of course, ignored), it's real easy to just say right out of the box that this is bad - the odds are about 95% that you would be right, regardless of what the scan looks like. I tried real hard not to take that approach with this item, even offering to look at it in person for the Original poster. I really think that, given these scans, that's the only way to be fair to him.

As I said, I wouldn't bid on it without a return guarantee, but post-wwi black baseball memorabilia is a risky area, and as you know, I have no interest in it.

Hankphenom · #4 04-24-2013, 11:27 AM

Another one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-HOME...p2047675.l2557

Exhibitman · #5 04-25-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Another one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-HOME...p2047675.l2557

I can't tell squat from those scans and I don't see how any buyer could make a reasonable buy decision on them either. I'd pass for $60 but for $6 I'd buy it just to have a look. I do that from time to time with items that might be good. More often than not I've done OK with them. Gotten a few bad ones over the years. The two that come to mind are a Jack Dempsey movie piece that proved to be a modern photo and a Groucho piece that was from the 1970s.

BTW, up above Leon commented on the border wrinkling on one of the images shown. I've seen that rippling on vintage photos printed on a heavier matte stock. I have a few Adam Hats H815s with that and also a few movie studio issued photos from the 1930s that exhibit it. The glossy photos just seem to curl consistently inward but the others seem to ripple.

Exhibitman · #6 04-24-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

I know, Adam, every time I post something on Net 54 involving a controversial topic, you always take the con side to my point of view. I don't even mean 99% of the time but instead, 100%. At this point, I have to think that it is something personal that you have against me (don't know what or why). It's too bad, I used to have a lot of respect for you, especially your knowledge about baseball exhibit cards of the '20's & '30's.

I know more than a little bit about Negro League Baseball material and would not make a definitive statement if I was unsure about an item.

Gee Phil, that came out of nowhere...I think I've agreed with you on any number of things over the years. If I don't agree with you it isn't because I don't like you--I don't think we've even met more than once or twice--it is because I disagree with what you are saying. Perhaps if you weren't wrong every single time about everything you ever say on every subject

No one is debating your knowledge on NL items, but I don't think you can write off an item you've never seen without seeing it. That is all I was trying to point out. I am amazed all the time at how little I really know about the items that I am really, really expert about. I find new stuff all the time, which is one reason I enjoy this hobby. If you are 100% certain about the items being fakes, please explain how and why you reach that conclusion. Have you seen them before?

Hankphenom · #7 04-24-2013, 04:59 PM

Last example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1930...p2047675.l2557

Of course, there is a miniscule chance that the "cards" in question are good. There was always the possibility that Coaches Corner's Hitler autographed baseball, along with the 5,000 Mathewson balls they offered in their day, were good. The same guy that's making these team photos made the "cards" too, so let's call him out without equivocation. Identical coloration, identical roughing up the edges, etc. And he's doing a decent business, too. I'd guess he's employing the Roaches Corner model--a refund to those who ask for it, therefore no complaints, or in this case, no negative feedback.

Runscott · #8 04-24-2013, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Last example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1930...p2047675.l2557

Of course, there is a miniscule chance that the "cards" in question are good. There was always the possibility that Coaches Corner's Hitler autographed baseball, along with the 5,000 Mathewson balls they offered in their day, were good. The same guy that's making these team photos made the "cards" too, so let's call him out without equivocation. Identical coloration, identical roughing up the edges, etc. And he's doing a decent business, too. I'd guess he's employing the Roaches Corner model--a refund to those who ask for it, therefore no complaints, or in this case, no negative feedback.

There must be something in the water. Lots of this sort of logic lately, from guys I have the utmost respect for.

Hank, Phil, Adam....everyone - hope to see you at the National this year.

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