Babe Ruth?

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Yeah, I didn't get the Gaedel comparison.

My thinking on Ruth signatures, and it applies to this one: Any authentic Ruth-signed item has been around for 50+ years. Probably 50% (at least) of Ruth signatures on the market are forgeries, and many of those have LOAs. Everyone knows that if you want to sell a Ruth-signed item, it has to pass a TPA. So, if a Ruth-signed item shows up on the market with a new LOA, you have to ask why? At that point, all you have to go on is the provenance and the item itself. The ticket 'could' be good. The provenance is very shaky. If we manage to get over the ticket and the provenance, the autograph still has to pass.

This isn't about 'prove it is bad'. If it smells at all, and it's a 'Ruth', we generally discuss it in this forum, but...

There were much better ways for Chris to present his opinion - I won't speculate as to why he chose this route, but it was unfair to the consignor and the auction house.

Scott, just to give you a hint. Look at the bad Gadel, open a. Look at the good one closed. Look at the spaceing compare the bad one to the Ruth.
Just saying.

[slidekellyslide]

There are at least 4 open "a" Ruth signatures in the current REA auction.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

There are at least 4 open "a" Ruth signatures in the current REA auction.

And?

[earlywynnfan]

I'm confused; there are two long, painful threads going on right now. One is obsessing about the chain of provenance before we even want to talk about the auto.

The other doesn't have a line of provenance -- in fact, there is some serious provenance saying the piece cannot be legit -- and people are howling to disregard the provenance, just look at the auto.

Which is it??

Ken

[travrosty]

it's disfunctional threads and discussions.

snit54 instead of taking a look at autographs and provenance from a logical perspective and sharing information to get to the bottom of things.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

There are at least 4 open "a" Ruth signatures in the current REA auction.

9 Ruth signatures have been withdrawn from REA

[shelly]

I would be willing to bet there might be a few more.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by shelly

Scott, just to give you a hint. Look at the bad Gadel, open a. Look at the good one closed. Look at the spaceing compare the bad one to the Ruth.
Just saying.

I saw that. No matter - as I said when Chris first posted the Gaedel images, the two Gaedels looked nothing alike; the two Ruths looked at least similar. In my opinion - a different forger.

As David stated, tells are not ironclad - I'm sure people who normally close their a's have left a few open.

[shelly]

Scott, Chris feels that bad Gudel is from the same person that did the Ruth ticket. You can make up your own mind. He was trying to show the open a on the babe and the open a on the other.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by shelly

Scott, Chris feels that bad Gudel is from the same person that did the Ruth ticket. You can make up your own mind. He was trying to show the open a on the babe and the open a on the other.

Sure, but he used a horrible example. If one autograph is a horrible forgery (Gaedel) and the other is much better (Ruth), then you have to think the open 'a' similarity was a coincidence. Chris might think it's the same person, but I think he's incorrect.

[shelly]

I will wait until Chris is able to speak for himself.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by shelly

I will wait until Chris is able to speak for himself.

Thank you, Shelly.

The Babe Ruth signed ticket and the Eddie Gaedel signed photo were penned by the same person. 100%.

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Thank you, Shelly.

The Babe Ruth signed ticket and the Eddie Gaedel signed photo were penned by the same person. 100%.

Then at least one of them is a forgery

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by shelly

I will wait until Chris is able to speak for himself.

Thank you again, Shelly.

I just wanted to expand a little bit on my previous response.

Both of those sigs (Ruth & Gaedel) were penned by the same person as I have stated before.

Second, it has lot more to do than just the "a" in both sigs. And no, I'm not going to expand on that.

As for that Babe Ruth signed ticket, it's not even a well-executed forgery. I find it to be a very awkardly-penned forgery.

[thetruthisoutthere]

I als wanted to write that I have a much different perspective on life and priorities.

A few times here on Net54, I have posted comments that I now regret because I am a very emotional person. I apologize for some of those comments.

I will no longer "take the bait" from the few members (two) that light the fuse of my emotional responses.

That doesn't mean I'm not going to "be myself." I'm not going to change the way I do things. I have worked very hard during the last eight years training my eye for autographs. I also work very hard doing my research and the leg work necessary to find the information I need. Some I can share and some I cannot. It's not a personal thing. Some I share with my close friends and some I don't share with anyone.

I know other collectors who possess information that I don't have. I don't bug them to share that information with me because I know exactly why they can't share it and I respect that.

I also have many sources that share information with me. They trust me with that information and I have never broken a confidence and I never will. As a matter of fact, some of my sources are people that some of you would assume are at odds with me. And I share some of my information with those same people.

So if you want to make fun of the way I do things, or my name (thetruthisoutthere), or anything about me, I will no longer let it bother me.

To quote "I never did mind about the little things."

I will continue to be a member on Net54, as there are some wonderful and nice people here who simply want to enjoy the hobby, as I do. But at the same time, I will continue to do what I do.

Thank you.