1968 Topps Double Print Question

[goheels]

There are 87 cards in the second series, 110 through 196. You can see in your picture that the 88 cards (11 across x 8 rows) includes the 192 3rd series card, as well as the 107 card which was part of the first series as a preview and now repeated here in the second series.

Rows 1-8 end with the Ryan rookie at the left end of the 8th row. You have at the bottom of this half sheet rows 1-4 again; the other half sheet would be rows 5-8 followed by rows 1-8. In that way you have exactly 3 copies of all 88 cards making up 264 cards.

As long as the series had either 88 cards or 132 cards then there would be no SPs or DPs.

Topps wanted to make sure there were plenty CL cards for the kids.

3rd series: 87 cards (197-283) plus card 192 CL3=88 cards x3= 264 on both half sheets.

4th series: 87 cards (284-370) plus card 278 CL4= 88 cards x3=264
5th series: 87 cards (371-457) plus card 356 CL5=88 cards x3=264
6th series: 87 cards (458-533) plus card 454 CL6=88 cards x3=264
7th series: 65 cards (534-598) plus card 518 CL7=66 cards x4=264.

The first series is different. The others have no shortage or extra cards.

[goheels]

Dave,
I count 8 plus 4 on that 5th series sheet, not 9 plus 3.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by goheels

There are 87 cards in the second series, 110 through 196. You can see in your picture that the 88 cards (11 across x 8 rows) includes the 192 3rd series card, as well as the 107 card which was part of the first series as a preview and now repeated here in the second series.

Rows 1-8 end with the Ryan rookie at the left end of the 8th row. You have at the bottom of this half sheet rows 1-4 again; the other half sheet would be rows 5-8 followed by rows 1-8. In that way you have exactly 3 copies of all 88 cards making up 264 cards.

As long as the series had either 88 cards or 132 cards then there would be no SPs or DPs.

Topps wanted to make sure there were plenty CL cards for the kids.

3rd series: 87 cards (197-283) plus card 192 CL3=88 cards x3= 264 on both half sheets.

4th series: 87 cards (284-370) plus card 278 CL4= 88 cards x3=264
5th series: 87 cards (371-457) plus card 356 CL5=88 cards x3=264
6th series: 87 cards (458-533) plus card 454 CL6=88 cards x3=264
7th series: 65 cards (534-598) plus card 518 CL7=66 cards x4=264.

The first series is different. The others have no shortage or extra cards.

Carlton, the 1st series with 110 card series could be printed 6 times on 5 unique 132 card sheets(unique in regards to the order of the rows). So, in the 1st series there would be 5 unique 132 card sheets, in the 2nd through 6th series there would be 2 unique 132 card sheets, and the 7th series would need just one 132 card sheet.

[toppcat]

Quite right-sheesh, I need to wear my glasses more often!

[goheels]

I remember your erudite discussion years back of the complex 67 high series and the analysis. Seems like most notorious SPs occurred in the higher series--66 67 and 71 immediately come to mind.

What about the 68 1st series? Weird series anyway.

By the way, there is a variation from cropping of the inset photo on the Kaat 67 1st CL card. Slight difference in the distance from the top of the inset circle to the top of his cap, but very subtle. There is a difference in the grain/burlap pattern as well at the top of both of those cards.

[ALR-bishop]

Carlton and Dave---you make my head spin

[goheels]

Not sure if Topps would have done that. I think they set their two half sheets of 132 and let er rip.

Had they done that, we would have seen all kinds of crop variations.

In the top Kaat CL there is a bigger gap between his cap and the inset circle. The TCG on the obverse is aligned differently as well. And that is just from lining up the one card differently on a separate line so the kids could have the pleasure of another checklist.

I guess my math isn't that good anymore. So we now have DPs in the 6th series...

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by goheels

Not sure if Topps would have done that. I think they set their two half sheets of 132 and let er rip.

Had they done that, we would have seen all kinds of crop variations.

In the top Kaat CL there is a bigger gap between his cap and the inset circle. The TCG on the obverse is aligned differently as well. And that is just from lining up the one card differently on a separate line so the kids could have the pleasure of another checklist.

I guess my math isn't that good anymore. So we now have DPs in the 6th series...

With the 6th series, there could have been 7 unique sheets, with no DPs. It would be interesting to see if there are other images of 68 Topps 132 card sheets around showing a different flow within the same series.

The Kaat CL is likely the DP for the first series while the 107 CL more likely appeared on sheets from both series one and two, explaining the two versions of this card. If both of these CL were double printed within the first series, there should be additional DP cards, all meaning that there should be more crop variations(which I am not aware of nor have I seen).

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by goheels

There are 87 cards in the second series, 110 through 196. You can see in your picture that the 88 cards (11 across x 8 rows) includes the 192 3rd series card, as well as the 107 card which was part of the first series as a preview and now repeated here in the second series.

Rows 1-8 end with the Ryan rookie at the left end of the 8th row. You have at the bottom of this half sheet rows 1-4 again; the other half sheet would be rows 5-8 followed by rows 1-8. In that way you have exactly 3 copies of all 88 cards making up 264 cards.

As long as the series had either 88 cards or 132 cards then there would be no SPs or DPs.

Topps wanted to make sure there were plenty CL cards for the kids.

3rd series: 87 cards (197-283) plus card 192 CL3=88 cards x3= 264 on both half sheets.

4th series: 87 cards (284-370) plus card 278 CL4= 88 cards x3=264
5th series: 87 cards (371-457) plus card 356 CL5=88 cards x3=264
6th series: 87 cards (458-533) plus card 454 CL6=88 cards x3=264
7th series: 65 cards (534-598) plus card 518 CL7=66 cards x4=264.

The first series is different. The others have no shortage or extra cards.

The 6th series has 77 cards(including the 454 CL), so it would not have been evenly spread out among 2 unique sheets....so there may be some DP from this series.

Here is a link to a sheet from this series:

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...entoryid=79951